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Deconstructing the arguments for hijab

Started by gandalf, January 23, 2022, 05:39:12 AM

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gandalf

Salaam all.

I know there have been some rigorous discussions about hijab and whether it is obligatory or not according to Islam.

The main arguments against have somewhat been done to death, so I don't want to rehash them. Instead I want to address what I have found to be the most common retorts that pro-hijabi commentators have come up with - and refute them.

1. The Quran is clear and unambiguous.

What rubbish. Lets start with 24:31 - the relevant ayat calls on women to "cover your 'jaeb' with your khumurs (plural of khimar)". Jaeb is understood as the opening around your cleavage, while 'khimar' is alleged (by classical scholars) to mean a "head cover". Assuming this interpretation is correct, and setting aside all other arguments and assumptions about what you actually do with it - the very use of the word 'head cover' on its own is self evidently ambiguous. What head cover? The generic term "head cover" covers a whole array of possibilities  - Is it a cap? a turban? a cowboy hat? But even more important than the style, is what does it do?  - does it just sit on the head ornamentally, does it actually cover the hair, or just part of the hair? Its not clarified. And yet pro-hijabis would have us believe that the mere reference of a non-specific term as "khimar" is somehow a clear and unambiguous command for women to don a specific type of head scarf that covers all the hair.

The second  verse that is usually used  to support  mandatory hijab is 33:59, and is even more ambiguous than 24:31 - in that it doesn't even  mention anything that  is related to 'head cover'. The short verse  merely tells women to  draw  a cloak known as a 'jilbab' over themselves - in order  that they not be harassed.


These verses are apparently so crystal clear about the obligation of hijab - that pro hijabis cannot even explain them without drawing on external tafsirs and ahdiths to explain them.  For example in case, heaven forbid, that any muslim takes 24:31 at face value and inteprets it as simply covering their 'jaeb' with their head cover  - and logically concludes that because there is no mention of the head or hair, it therefore is not commanding to cover the hair- pro hijabis must call on medieval tafsirs to claim that the khimars must necessarily be already on the head, and that the command is to take the ends of the already worn khimar and drop them over the jaeb.


2. the Quran is well supported by hadith


Essentially there are two hadiths that pro-hijabis use to support mandatory hijab. The first is a narration by the Prophet's wife Aisha who , according to various translations , nararted that  when the quran verse 24:31 was revealed, women started to tear up their garments and started veiling themselves. However such transations are dishonest. The actual verb used was "itkhumurrun" - literally to "khimar themselves". On the surface this appears to mean
'put on a headcover'  - yet given the fact that it is in direct response to 24:31 - ie cover your jaeb, (not your hair), it could reasonably be translated as doing exactly what 24:31 commanded - simply overing their jaeb. The veiling translation is also problematic  in light of the description that women had to tear up garments in order to make the coverings - suggesting  they didn't actually have a khimar on hand to start with (n.b the pro hijabis argument that the khimar was already worn).

The second hadith used by pro-hijabis is from the Abu Dawud collection, where the Prophet is said to have seen his wife's sister Asma dressed with transparent clothing, and he told her post-puberty girls should have everything covered except "this and this" - which the narration claims the Prophet pointed to the hands and the face. This hadith is widely dismissed as weak by Islamic scholars, mainly because it has a broken chain of transmission - most crucially between the first transmitter and the narrator. It is also considered weak because the words hands and face are not actually quoted from the Prophet, but is merely inferred by the narrator. Amusingly, the hadith is perhaps most vigorously opposed by Hanbalis and other schools that insist that hijab includes face veiling - given that this narration allows the face to be uncovered.


3. "Ijma" (consensus)

Ijma refers to consensus of opinion by Islamic jurists on matters of Islamic fiqh (law). Pro hijabis will haughtily lecture us that there is 1400 years of ijma on the matter of hijab, and therefore who are we to question such wisdom?

Actually this is a lie. Let me explain.

It is true, scholars  from the classical period right into the modern period have overwhelmingly agreed in the interpretation of the two Quranic verses  as meaning the women should be covered from head to toe, including the hair. However there is a techinical difference between understanding what a verse means, and agreeing what that means in terms of Islamic law. The reality is, that there have really only been two areas of Islamic law in which the issue of the woman's 'aura', or what can be exposed and what must be covered have been discussed by Islamic jurists. And that is in relation to what women wear while praying and what they can wear when courting for marriage/engagement. Of course one may make assumptions about the jurists' position on the hijab in relation to all other aspects of public life is, but it would be complete guesswork. The only thing we can say with certainly regarding the ijma on hijab, is that women must cover from head to toe in the specific situation of praying and marriage/engagement propositions.

The other important point to make about Ijma, is the class-based rulings the jurists made on veiling. that were completely contrary to the values that the pro-hijabis profess to hold today. It would come as a shock to the Islamic standards of today to learn that the classical jurists reached a different ijma - namely that the 'aura' of a free woman muslim was different to a slave muslim - which resulted in different veiling rulings. It was common for jursts to rule that the 'aura' of a slave women didn't even include the breasts - and indeed she was permitted to pray, at the mosque, bare breasted.  Not all jursts went that far, but suffice to say, the jursts reached a clear 'ijma' that slaves did not have to cover up like free women - which usually mean exluding them from head covering. I wonder ,when pro-hijabi commentators boast about the ijma of hijab, if they are aware that a key bedrock of that ijma was reinforcing the stratification of society along class lines (something they will be amongst the first to claim Islam came to destroy)

The Middle Path

Peace Gandal,

I think your post is good. It has a strong foundation and has the potential to become a really good article (if you decide to make it into an article in the future). I encourage you to make it into an article in the future, by the way. Because I think your post sheds light on a highly important topic. As far as I am concerned, there are few really good articles about Hijab written by monotheists. So I think there is a need for more articles about this topic.

For a long time I have actually wanted to write an article about Hijab. A long time ago, I began to write the first draft of an article about Hijab, but then I quit writing it. However, I might write an article about Hijab in the future.

If you decide to make your post about Hijab into an article in the future, my counsel to you would be to gather all the verses on the topic of Hijab, refer to them and explain their meaning in your article, and then use strong evidence from the quran, from history and from other fields of knowledge to support your arguments.
Hai Zamane Ka Taqaza Anjuman
Aur Be-Khalwat Nahin Souz-e-Sukhan

The Middle Path

Peace gandalf, and fellow forum members

There is a really good article titled "Women in the light of the holy quran" by G.A. Parwez . I think the article has some interesting information about Hijab (veil). I recommend it.

The article can be read in this link.

https://www.parwez.tv/Abid_Audio_Refrences/Mufhoom_1/by_G_A_parwez/Women%20in%20the%20light%20of%20Holy%20Quran.htm#9

Also, it can be downloaded in this link.

http://resurgentislam.com/wp-content/uploads/Women-In-the-Light-Of-Quran-By-Parwez.pdf

G.A. Parwez was undoubtedly a sincere scholar. I like his works. I don't agree with everything he says in his works. But I think his works are suberb. His knowledge and understanding of the quran was exceptional, in my opinion. He had an open mind and was willing to accept new ideas. He relentlessly searched for the truth and explored and ventured into territory where most scholars didn't dare to tread. It takes courage to do that. I think he made precious and extraordinary contributions to quranic studies. Numerous muslims think his works are among the greatest works about the Quran.

In my humble opinion, his most fascinating and profound works are "Islam: A Challenge to Religion", "Book of Destiny", Permanent Values and "The Qur'anic System of Sustenance". I heartily recommend his works.
Hai Zamane Ka Taqaza Anjuman
Aur Be-Khalwat Nahin Souz-e-Sukhan

gandalf

salaam TMP and thanks for the article.

I think Parwez touches on an important issue about the seclusion of women. Something thats been bugging me, but surprisingly doesn't seem to get much attention, is the transformation of the word hijab - from its original meaning of a divide or wall, into the de facto word for the woman's head cover. I actually find this deeply sinister - as it implies that woman shouldn't merely be physically covered when going out, but cut off entirely (by an actual barrier or 'hijab') from the outside world. I believe, from my understanding of history, that the popularization of this term - sometime around the 9th-10th century - coincided with a scholarly and legal campaign to keep women out of the public eye on account of "fitna" - a term that scholars in that era used to refer to the sexual allure and temptation men were subjected to when seeing women. Interestingly, 'fitna' in Quranic usage refers to disorder and chaos within society - a breakdown of social cohesion. Thus these scholars trully believed that men seeing women in public threatened the very fabric of society.

Wakas

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gandalf

Thanks Wakas.

In reference to the note at the bottom for arab readers:

QuoteThe word "khumur" is used in 24:31 and can be the plural of "khimaar" or "khimirr", and can mean any cover made of cloth or headcover

Something has recently occurred to me after reading over Lane's Lexicon on this word:
https://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000445.pdf

While I find this dictionary pretty hard to decrypt, it seems to me that he is saying that "khumur" (حُمُر) - which we note is the word used in the Quran verse 24:31 - can be the plural of خِمِر - which he says is "any covering of a thing...[etc]".

Now all the pro-hijabi commentators assure us that "khumur", as used in 24:31, is simply the plural of "khimar" - and that may be true. But if I'm interpreting Lane correctly (and I may not be), he is saying that the same word can also be plural of "khimir" - which as I quoted, is a non-specific covering.

Can anyone confirm this? What exactly are all the possible meanings of the plural "khumur"?

Wakas

All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

gandalf

An extract from a tirmidih hadith:

QuoteSo she got some loaves of wheat bread, then she took out a Khimar of hers, and put the bread in it.
https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:3630

You can go two ways with this account:

1. either she used a woman's head cover to wrap the bread in (conceivable) - in which case you have to concede that it is evidence that the head dresses known as 'khimar' were multi-purpose - in which case it is entirely plausible that it would make sense to women to interpret 24:31 as just wrapping the head cover around the bosom - without needing to have it on the head first.

2. or she simply used a generic cover called a 'khimar', that could be used for anything - including wrapping up bread.

JakeSullivan

I think it's really important to make sure that we're approaching this discussion with an open mind and being respectful of everyone's beliefs and opinions. We must remember that hijab is a personal choice and it's important to respect those who choose to wear it, as well as those who don't.  That said, I think it's important to look at the arguments for hijab and deconstruct them in order to get a better understanding of why people choose to wear it

JordanMichael

As I understand, it's not so much about 'obligation', but rather about 'choice'. We should be careful not to impose our own views or interpretations on others and instead allow them to make their own decisions, guided by the Qur'an and hadith.