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HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« on: January 18, 2022, 07:09:20 AM »
Quran 51:22 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised. (Paradise and hell are both ready and outside the world, in the sky)

The prophets living in Paradise will be summoned to the court as witnesses on the Day of Judgment

Quran 77:11 And when the messengers are gathered.

heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

Quran 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

Quran 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Quran: A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying: "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (36:20-29)

Quran 19:56 And recall in the Book, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.
19:57 And We raised him to a high place.

Quran 3:55 For God said: "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

Prophets and very good peoples in Paradise now. They were created in Paradise (floor of Lord/other universe) without waiting for the Hour.

But, Other people will wait for the Resurrection for re-creation.

The Qur'an says that a group of exception people are already living in Paradise.

And it even tells us that some of them are talking about the world's inhabitants. They say "they(World peoples) will come to us later". However, it is difficult to see them for you because the English translations of the Qur'an do not provide complete sentences.

Likewise, the verses of the Lord's Floor are also mentioned, but you cannot see it again in English translations. Because, unfortunately, those under the influence of traditional interpretation make translations in their own understanding.

Yes, according to the Qur'an there are already people living in Paradise.

And that's where Christians believe that Jesus is in paradise.

In the false Gospels, the event was described incorrectly, so you could not see the painting until today.

Jesus and all other messengers/ prophets live in paradise now.


Quran 3:169 Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions.

3:170 Happy with what God has granted them from His grace, and they rejoice in those who have yet to follow after them. There is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.

5:17 Ingrates indeed are those who have said, "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say, "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!" To God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (Jesus and his mother living in other universe, Like other prophets...)


Quran 84:8 He will then receive an easy reckoning.
84:9 He will return to his family in joy! (The person who is called from Paradise to the day of judgment will return to Paradise again with joy)

53:13 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
53:14 At the ultimate point.
53:15 Next to the eternal Paradise.
(Even when the prophet Muhammad lived in the world, he was taken to visit the universe of the Hereafter/ Floor of Lord)

56:7 You will be in three groupings.
56:8 So those on the right; who will be from those on the right?
56:9 Those on the left; who will be from those on the left?
56:10 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
(8th verse about peple who after the apocalyptic blessing will enter the paradise, 9th verse about who will enter hell, and the 10th verse talking about the already pioneering group living in Paradise. Thus, the three classes mentioned in verse 7 are completed)

19:93 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.

19:56 Recall in the book Enoch; he was truthful, a prophet.
19:57 We raised him to a high place.
(Enoch is living in Paradise now)

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2022, 07:10:11 AM »
And they(other universes) have got creatures:

Quran 42:29“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases”

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2022, 07:10:55 AM »
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number:

Yasin
36: Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49: And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2022, 07:12:51 AM »
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number:

Yasin
36: Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49: And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

These verses provide yet another proof that there is more than one number of planets and stars as well as universes. As long as you don't turn your back on the Qur'an.

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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 09:46:21 AM »
and;

ROLLING THE NIGHT OVER THE DAY
 

5- He created the heavens and the earth truthfully.
He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night…
39-The Throngs, 5

 
The Arabic word for “roll” is “yukevviru.” The word is used to describe the act of wrapping a turban around someone’s head. This word was also used in the sense of overlapping of the night and day and vice versa. The reason for the day’s turning into night and the night’s turning into day is due to the spheroid form of the earth. In this verse also we observe implied the sphericity of the world.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/

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DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/

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And;

"In addition to 18:86, they claim that 71:19, which says that God made the earth an expanse (wallahu ja'ala lakumu l-arda bisatan), implies a flat earth. However, the word bisatan means expanse, not flat. They apparently were asleep in kindergarten when the teacher went over shapes and sizes. Flat is a shape. Expansive is a size. For example, a piece of paper is flat, but not expansive. The earth is expansive, but not flat. They make the same mistake in translating and interpreting 51:48, which says that God made the earth expansive (farashnaha).

Curiously, they even cite 79:30 as evidence that the Quran says the earth is flat, even though it says the exact opposite (that the earth is shperical). 79:30 says, according to them, "and the earth, after that, He flattened it, and/or, and the earth, after that, He made it flat" (wa l-arda ba'da dhalika dahaha). They claim the word daha comes from the root for an Arabian ostrich's nest (madahy). According to them, the (now extinct) Arabian ostrich would flatten the ground before it layed it's eggs. Thus, they claim that dahaha means that He (God) flattened the earth like an Arabian ostrich flattens the ground before laying its eggs. However, the linguist, Prof. Martha Schulte-Nafeh, points out in her translation that the word daha also comes from the same root for the ostrich egg itself (dahyah). She points out that in the Libyan dialect, they still sometimes use the word dahyah for egg in addition to the more frequently used word baydah. Thus, she translates dahaha as "He made it egg-shaped". Now, take a look at this painting of an Arabian ostrich's nest from al-Jahiz's 9th century book on animals, "kitab al-hayawan":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Ostrich

Does the nest (madahy) look "flat" to you? The eggs (dahy) do look spherical to me, though. In addition to implying that the earth is spherical like an ostrich's egg, when the Quran talks about the night following the day and the day following the night in 39:5, it uses the verb yukawiru. Yukawiru comes from the KWR root, which means to roll or become round/spherical. The Arabic word for sphere, kurah, is derived from the same root.

As for the notion that "Muslim apologists" only recently started interpreting the Quran as saying the earth is round, the 9th century Quran commentator al-Jubba'i interpreted it this way in his now lost commentary. The 11th century scholar, ibn Hazm, interpreted it this way in his book "al-fisal fi l-milal wa l-nihal". And The 12th centery Quran commentator, ar-Razi, also interpreted it this way.

In addition to the aforementioned Muslim scholars, other Muslim scholars also believed the earth was ROUND:

"Muslim scholars who held to the round Earth theory used it for a quintessentially Islamic purpose: to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the Earth to Makkah (Mecca).[56] This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer.

"A terrestrial globe (Kura-i-ard) was among the presents sent by the Persian Muslim astronomer Jamal-al-Din to Kubla Khan in 1267. It was made of wood on which "seven parts of water are represented in green, three parts of land in white, with rivers, lakes etc."[57] Ho Peng Yoke remarks that "it did not seem to have any general appeal to the Chinese in those days"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Because Muslim scholars had to calculate the qibla on a ROUND earth, they practically invented spherical geometry:

"Muslims, according to Carra de Vaux, were "unquestionably the inventors of plane and spherical geometry, which did not, strictly speaking, exist among the Greeks".[2] The book of unknown arcs of a sphere written by Islamic mathematician Al-Jayyani is considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry. The book contains formulae for right-handed triangles, the general law of sines, and the solution of a spherical triangle by means of the polar triangle.[3]

"The book On Triangles by Regiomontanus, written around 1463, is the first pure trigonometrical work in Europe. However, Gerolamo Cardano noted a century later that much of the material there on spherical trigonometry was taken from the twelfth-century work of the Spanish Islamic scholar Jabir ibn Aflah."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Islamic_world

I should also point out that the Muslim scholar, al-Biruni, calculated the circumference of the ROUND earth in the 11th century. And the Muslim scholar, Ali Qushji, asserted that this ROUND earth was rotating in the 15th century. And here's a painting of Ottoman Muslim scholars studying a ROUND earth in the 16th century:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Taqi_al_din.jpg
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https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1267.0

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And;

Earth is spherical and in motion according to the Glorious Quran:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 09:48:40 AM »
https://alquran-science.tumblr.com/post/183444192488/quran-claims-the-earth-to-be-sphere-geoid

Age Of Universe

3 times Age of Earth.

Quran 7:54
And your Lord, Allah, who created the Heavens and the Earth in six days and then settled on the Throne. [Allah] Covers the night with the day, asks for it persistently; and the sun and the moon and the stars enslaved by His orders. Is this not His creation and His command? Blessed be Allah the Lord of all the worlds.

Quran 41:9
Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."

Quran 50:38
And we have created the Heavens and Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN in six days and We were not touched by fatigue.


The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).


https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/age_of_universe.html

Another miracle information here is that the arrangement of the existing universes takes two days/2 stages. Likewise, the creation of the world is in this last 2-day phase.

The Qur'an gives scientific information perfectly.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 09:51:07 AM »
Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

Holy Quran

Al Jinn Surah

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat Surah

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

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And today Hubble sees star shooting 'cannonballs' into space:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/?ur3=1

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 10:45:53 AM »
Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not.  The earth is a globe.  No, there was no fire breathing dragons  :nope:
There are no mermaids.   :&   there are no unicorns.  there are no aliens here from another planet    :brickwall:
No bones of giants have ever been found.      :hmm  why do people believe such nonsense.  Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back.  why?  Just asking.   :handshake:

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 01:16:36 PM »
Peace hawk99,

Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not.  The earth is a globe.  No, there was no fire breathing dragons  :nope:
There are no mermaids.   :&   there are no unicorns.  there are no aliens here from another planet    :brickwall:
No bones of giants have ever been found.      :hmm  why do people believe such nonsense.  Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back.  why?  Just asking.   :handshake:

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the voice of reason brother. :handshake:

Part of the problem is this: how to reconcile a religious faith and that their reference text (words of God, omniscient!) may contradicts or takes another way to explain the world than modern science or observations well established ?

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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2022, 09:30:40 AM »
Peace hawk99,
the voice of reason brother. :handshake:

Part of the problem is this: how to reconcile a religious faith and that their reference text (words of God, omniscient!) may contradicts or takes another way to explain the world than modern science or observations well established ?

Peace Iyyaka,

Upon reflection of your analysis it has crossed my mind that if someone misinterprets an ayat of the Quran they can conclude a false reality in regards to that ayat.
Therefore Misinterpretation plays an important role in how we perceive reality.  Thanks.


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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2022, 12:51:03 PM »
Upon reflection of your analysis it has crossed my mind that if someone misinterprets an ayat of the Quran they can conclude a false reality in regards to that ayat.
Peace hawk99,

I am not sure to understand your sayings brother ;D, but sure our interpretation may deviate us from the reality of the author's intention... The question is: what methodology should be used to exclude (or at least limit) any interpretation biased by our beliefs, especially as a long time separates us from the original context?
But, before speaking of methodology, It is necessary first  to be aware of these natural interpretative biases!

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2022, 04:28:27 PM »
Peace hawk99,

sure our interpretation may deviate us from the reality of the author's intention.

My point exactly   :)

Peace hawk99,

The question is: what methodology should be used to exclude (or at least limit) any interpretation biased by our beliefs,

We should deal with the intent to learn with patience and not be so quick to come to conclusions.  Be opened minded. Believe it or not it's not wrong to say "i don't know"   Be impartial and seek wise counsel.  Become educated in general with various topics and make learning a goal.

Peace hawk99,

especially as a long time separates us from the original context?
But, before speaking of methodology, It is necessary first  to be aware of these natural interpretative biases!

Yes, we must reconcile the usefulness of what we are engaging in today.  Is the interpretation useful?
Please explain  "natural interpretative biases"

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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2022, 11:11:02 PM »
Peace hawk99,

Please explain  "natural interpretative biases"
We have all a belief system that serves as a filter in the interpretation of texts. This is particularly true with a text in 2D with more than 1400 years apart (a time, a place, a society so different from ours). There are 2 essential ways to protect against this natural tendency:
1 - Understanding the primary context of the irruption of the Qur'anic discourse is essential BEFORE any kind of modernist reading of the quranic text. Otherwise, there is the risk of projecting only our own desiderata/fantasies into the text.
2 - Understanding how the text is structured according to principles so far removed from our standards of writing is essential to avoid a wild/atomist exegesis (by isolating verses); and thus easily manipulating minds.
One example among many (I have nothing against him): Athar2022 (https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611672.msg436943#msg436943) quoting 3:85 and 5:51 in isolation, as absolute truths valid for all time.

God bless you too.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2022, 08:23:50 AM »
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number:

Yasin
36: Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49: And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

Time-timelessness and the Floor of Lord (Indallah)
Our Creator is timeless and placeless as being.. He created the time and the place.


But as manager-observer (from the outside) He is at all the points of the place, and at all time points ...

Past...................................now...................​......................................future


We are at "now point" and we are traveling towards the forward, future points.


But our Lord does not travel in time points.

The concepts of the past, the future, the present time, are ours.

There's no travel for him.

Always observe and manage the point.

There's no need for him to go there and travel.

When called "be timeless" to people,they think it's like a way of life that only the wrist watch has stopped working, but the other elements continue to be the same. No, as I described above, the lack of time is a completely different situation that we cannot even imagine. The past, the future, the present moment, there are no separate concepts.

Just as our Lord is without place, He is outside of the universe, He do not travel in our universe but we know, from outside as a manager our Lord, who is also timeless in the same way, is again out of time, but a manager-observer at all time points (from outside).

If we go back to a time machine, and go to the future and the past, we will realize that God also ruled that time period. And the time inside the time machine ...

But let's tell again;

As "Being", God is not in anything and is separate from all creation.

Outside of time and space/place...

We are in time and space. They were already created for us ...

And since our Lord is separate from all creation, it is a great sin to attribute a partner to God, because nothing He has created is a part or reflection of Him.

I would like to bring it from here to the expression "the floor of the Lord" in the Qur'an.

In the Qur'an, I think that Rabbin is used in two meanings.

1- In the eyes of Allah ...

2- It is used in the meaning of the universe of eternity hereafter

In the Qur'an, the word " floor of Lord" is the name of the afterlife universe with different laws of physics than ours. For example, unlike our universe, there is life here, and there is no question of aging, deterioration of the material.

And this time on the "Floor of the Lord" (Indallah) is different according to our time:

- Actually, a day on your floor of the Lord is like a thousand years that you are counting. (Surat al-Hajj, 47)

Because our Lord is timeless, it is used here not in the sense of "in the presence of God" but in the meaning of "the hereafter". In our world a thousand years pass, there is only one day in the floor of Lord.

Surely Allah Almighty has created this space. But the name "Floor of Lord" gave it the name it created this time. It is just a definition like "The servant of Allah", " or "The Messenger of Allah" ...

Surat al-Hajj 47 The one who urgently wants a chastisement: God never contradicts the promise. It is also a fact that a day on the side of the Lord is like a thousand years that you are counting.

Surat al-Bakar 112 The work is not like them, but when they deliver their face to Allah with good behavior, there is a reward on the Lord's side. There is no fear for them; they will not worry ...

Ali Surah 15: Say, "Do you notify me better than this?" For those who are guarded and protected, there will be gardens, rivers flowing under them, and rivers flowing under them, pure wives and a pleasure from Allah. Allah sees His servants in the best form. "

En'am Suresi 127 The peace and well-being of their Lord is their dwelling place. Because of the fact that they are works, He has become their Veli.

Surat al-A'raf 206 Those who are on the side of the Lord do not turn away from Him, They will glorify Him and prostrate Him alone.

Heaven and hell already exist, and some exceptions people have begun to live their punishment or rewards by being created physically there unexpectedly in the Day of Resurrection (knowing that other people will wait for Resurrection and account). For example:

-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

- Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them: "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)

According to these verses;

1- While other dead people are really dead (waiting for the resurrection), the martyrs are alive differently from them.

2- They live in blessings on the floor of the Lord (in the Hereafter)

3. When they speak in heaven, they give good news about the people who are still in the world and / or who have not yet been resurrected after they have been killed (they also say words that they will participate in the Jenny)

However, the point to be noted here is that the people who are now in heaven (in the Rabbinic Floor) are as physical as us, they are materially alive. Already according to the Qur'an, there is no such thing as souls, spiritual life. Everlasting life is also the body. All creatures, including angels and goblins, are already members (for example, if we were created from earth, the jinn were also created from fire). You can also read my article on "Nobody has got ghost according to Quran".

Quran (51:22) And in the heaven is your provision and whatever you are promised.

Quran (57:21) Race one with another for forgiveness from your Lord and a Garden whereof the breadth is as the breadth of the heavens and the earth, which is in store for those who believe in Allah and His messengers. Such is the bounty of Allah, which He bestoweth upon whom He will, and Allah is of infinite bounty.

The width of heaven is called sky and ground. In other words, it is pointed out that heaven/paradise is as big as our universe. This is again the evidence that the eternity dwelling is a universe of its own, with its laws of physics. In other words, the place is not in the size of a garden or city, but in a gigantic dimension as the world we live in with its planets and heavens.

Floor of Lord is the name of a universe that Allah has created from nothing. The eternity is in that house, there are already inhabitants and waiting for the others.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2022, 08:24:24 AM »
Hereafter Universe (Floor of Lord) and eternal life

The living creatures in the Hereafter universe (Floor of Lord) are immortal and continue their lives forever (in fixed form) without aging. People will begin to live in this afterlife in the next creation from the Day of Judgment, but some exceptions people (like martyrs and prophets) are already living their physical and physical lives in heaven:

-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

- Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them: "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)



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56. Also mention in the Book the case of Idris: He was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:

57. We raised him in a high/lofty place.


Al-i İmran 55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.



Those who stay outside of this exception will begin their afterlife in the aftermath.

And in the Floor of Lord (ie the hereafter universe with different laws of physics) life is eternal:

Nisa 122. But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness,- we shall soon admit them to gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,-to dwell therein for ever. Allah´s promise is the truth, and whose word can be truer than Allah´s?


Rad 24. "Peace unto you for that ye persevered in patience! Now how excellent is the final home!"



Some people are strangely welcomed by the eternal experience of eternity, and then "are those living things not divine?" They use expressions that indicate their confusion, asking questions.

First of all, we are created, we have a beginning. We are also always on time and space. In contrast, Almighty Allah is timeless and without space.

And we will continue to remain as limited entities at the beginning, and we, the servants who have to travel over time.

If we will return to the Hereafter experience; there will be eternal life forever, but our age will never be eternal. Because our lives have a beginning, and every year our age will increase, will grow constantly, but will always correspond to a number.

1 .......................... 789 ...................... ......... ... 1122333 ........................ 12233499988779 ......

Each passing year my old age will be an addition and will never be infinitely large. However, this event will last forever.

In brief, the eternal life of the hereafter is eternal, but the ages of those who live are limited to a certain extent. But it will be an endless journey back up.

We will see how much progress in the age of a man in heaven, that we are a beginner when we go back. Time (years-age) will increase constantly, but since it is the beginning, it will always correspond to a number.

In the meantime, a mysterious closed-minded, open-ended infinite length is completely wrong in mathematics.

Something must be both inexperienced and eternal so that it can be infinitely long.


If a road ends in the back, then the road is finish.


During the journey to the Acanthus, the figures constantly grow, but never, no matter how long it grows, it does not reach forever.

A B C.......

The point between A and the point reached is always bound to be a certain length.

The life of the Hereafter will last forever, but as I said before, when we rewind, we arrive at the beginning when we travel backwards, and there (backward) the road ends.

In short we will live forever but our age will never be eternal (because our being is the beginning of our existence).

We will be eternal, but we will continue to be limited beings as we are not eternal and we have to travel in time-space.

It is our Lord, who is unlimited, timeless and unmeasured. Moreover, the life of the living beings in the hereafter is a state of fulfillment with the will of our Lord. The Supreme Creator can exist forever without needing anything, but the servants can exist through Him. This is stated in the verses:

Hud

107. They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth: for thy Lord is the (sure) accomplisher of what He planneth.

108. And those who are blessed shall be in the Garden: They will dwell therein for all the time that the heavens and the earth endure, except as thy Lord willeth: a gift without break.

Almighty Allah says that we will be forever for what He wants.

And he says, "If I can not wish reverse, I will never let the others out"

And he promises you will not.

In other words, "I may change this provision if I wish, but I am using an expression that means that the heavenly peoples will stay there forever, because I want it with free will." When we consider all this, we can easily see that our eternal life does not sanctify us, that we will always continue to be servants as in this world.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2022, 08:25:32 AM »
-Think not of those who are slain in Allah.s way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the floor of their Lord;

- Allah is pleased with the blessing he has bestowed upon them, and about the Mujahideen who have not joined them as martyrs behind them: "They have no fear, and they will not hear sadness." are found. (Surat al-Fitr 169-170)

According to these verses;

1- While other dead people are really dead (waiting for the resurrection), the martyrs are alive differently from them.

2- They live in blessings on the floor of the Lord (in the Hereafter)

3. When they speak in heaven, they give good news about the people who are still in the world and / or who have not yet been resurrected after they have been killed (they also say words that they will participate in the Jenny)

However, the point to be noted here is that the people who are now in heaven (in the Rabbinic Floor) are as physical as us, they are materially alive. Already according to the Qur'an, there is no such thing as souls, spiritual life. Everlasting life is also the body. All creatures, including angels and goblins, are already members (for example, if we were created from earth, the jinn were also created from fire). You can also read my article on "Nobody has got ghost according to Quran".


Meryem

56. Also mention in the Book the case of Idris: He was a man of truth (and sincerity), (and) a prophet:

57. We raised him in a high/lofty place.


Al-i İmran 55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

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IS JESUS ALIVE?



Let me briefly answer this frequently asked question again:


Prophet Jesus died, but just like other prophets and martyrs, he was created again in the Paradise (Floor of Lord).


In other words, living in a Paradise now.

In short, not only Jesus, but all the prophets and messengers live in other Universe.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2022, 10:54:47 AM »
Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space


The fireball thing actually works on them even here!
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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2022, 04:03:25 PM »
Holy Quran 55:37

If the heaven ripped and it were a rose like paint.

https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/redshifting.html

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2022, 08:57:57 PM »
THE "EVIDENCE OF DESIRE" ALSO POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THE AFTERLIFE UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY BEEN CREATED

I also think that the famous "Proof of Desire", which shows the existence of Allah and the reality of eternal life, is a proof that the Hereafter Universe and life already exists. Because humans want their lives to continue immediately/uninterruptedly. It is as if this desire is encoded in their genes and programs. No one wants to wait thousands or millions of years to be resurrected again. In this context, it is more rational to accept that there are some servants who attain the life of paradise immediately after their death than the proof of desire.

As I said, I think the Evidence of Desire shows that the afterlife exists even now. Let us itemize this as follows:

1- We see that the natural and healthy desires of human beings are usually reciprocated (for example, the desire to drink water is reciprocated by the presence/existence of water, etc...).

2- Almost no one wants to stay/wait for thousands or millions of years in a state of extinction, even if there is a break, they want to continue their lives as soon as possible, especially they want to reach the life of paradise immediately.

3- In this context, at least some deserving servants have already been created and started their eternal life in paradise without waiting (and therefore there is a place(s) where this happens).

In addition, according to the argument from desire, the blessings that people desire are mostly already created, that is, ready. From this point of view, again, according to the argument from desire, it is more logical to think that paradise exists now rather than in the future.

Furthermore, this point of view/questioning provides another proof that there are similar blessings in paradise as there are on earth.


(from my Turkish article)

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2016/05/goklerevrenler.html