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HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« on: January 18, 2022, 07:09:20 AM »
Quran 51:22 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised. (Paradise and hell are both ready and outside the world, in the sky)

The prophets living in Paradise will be summoned to the court as witnesses on the Day of Judgment

Quran 77:11 And when the messengers are gathered.

heaven is not paradise. Heaven =universe
Heavens = universes

The Qur'an offers a multi-universe model.

But it is not infinite.

Seven universes, for example.

Other universes have planets too.

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

Example "Floor of Lord" (Indallah) = afterlife universe
Except for the Hereafter universe, all the other universes will end with big crunch.

Quran 21:104 On the day when We roll up the heavens like a scroll of books is rolled up. As We initiated the first creation, so shall We return it. It is a promise of Ours that We will do this.

Quran 39:67 They have not given God His true worth; and the whole earth is within His fist on the day of resurrection, and the heavens will be folded in His right hand. Be He glorified; He is much too high above what they set up.

Quran: A man came running from the farthest part of the city, saying: "O my people, follow the messengers. Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided. Why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to Him is your ultimate return? Shall I take gods besides Him? If the Gracious intends any harm for me, their intercession cannot help me in the least, nor can they save me. Then I would be clearly astray. I have acknowledged your Lord, so listen to me! It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said "Oh, how I wish my people only knew of what my Lord has forgiven me, and made me of the honored ones."We did not send down upon his people after him soldiers from the sky; for there was no need to send them down. For all it took was one scream, whereupon they were stilled. (36:20-29)

Quran 19:56 And recall in the Book, Enoch; he was a man of truth, a prophet.
19:57 And We raised him to a high place.

Quran 3:55 For God said: "O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have rejected, and make those who have followed you above those who have rejected until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed."

Prophets and very good peoples in Paradise now. They were created in Paradise (floor of Lord/other universe) without waiting for the Hour.

But, Other people will wait for the Resurrection for re-creation.

The Qur'an says that a group of exception people are already living in Paradise.

And it even tells us that some of them are talking about the world's inhabitants. They say "they(World peoples) will come to us later". However, it is difficult to see them for you because the English translations of the Qur'an do not provide complete sentences.

Likewise, the verses of the Lord's Floor are also mentioned, but you cannot see it again in English translations. Because, unfortunately, those under the influence of traditional interpretation make translations in their own understanding.

Yes, according to the Qur'an there are already people living in Paradise.

And that's where Christians believe that Jesus is in paradise.

In the false Gospels, the event was described incorrectly, so you could not see the painting until today.

Jesus and all other messengers/ prophets live in paradise now.


Quran 3:169 Do not count that those who are killed in the sake of God are dead. No, they are alive at their Lord receiving provisions.

3:170 Happy with what God has granted them from His grace, and they rejoice in those who have yet to follow after them. There is no fear upon them nor do they grieve.

5:17 Ingrates indeed are those who have said, "God is the Messiah the son of Mary." Say, "Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother, and all who are on earth!" To God is the sovereignty of heavens and earth and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things. (Jesus and his mother living in other universe, Like other prophets...)


Quran 84:8 He will then receive an easy reckoning.
84:9 He will return to his family in joy! (The person who is called from Paradise to the day of judgment will return to Paradise again with joy)

53:13 Indeed, he saw him in another descent.
53:14 At the ultimate point.
53:15 Next to the eternal Paradise.
(Even when the prophet Muhammad lived in the world, he was taken to visit the universe of the Hereafter/ Floor of Lord)

56:7 You will be in three groupings.
56:8 So those on the right; who will be from those on the right?
56:9 Those on the left; who will be from those on the left?
56:10 And those foremost, who will be from those foremost?
(8th verse about peple who after the apocalyptic blessing will enter the paradise, 9th verse about who will enter hell, and the 10th verse talking about the already pioneering group living in Paradise. Thus, the three classes mentioned in verse 7 are completed)

19:93 When all there is in the heavens and the earth will but come to the Gracious as servants.

19:56 Recall in the book Enoch; he was truthful, a prophet.
19:57 We raised him to a high place.
(Enoch is living in Paradise now)

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2022, 07:10:11 AM »
And they(other universes) have got creatures:

Quran 42:29“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases”

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2022, 07:10:55 AM »
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number:

Yasin
36: Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49: And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2022, 07:12:51 AM »
As is known, the Qur'an describes how everything was created in pairs, that is, in more than one number:

Yasin
36: Praise be to the One who has created all pairs from what the earth sprouts out and from themselves, and from what they do not know.

Zariyat
49: And We created everything in pairs, so that you may take counsel.

In this context; Since the universe is also a created servant, it should not be unique and only one. All created beings are paired. After the Apocalypse, only the "Floor of the Lord", that is, the Universes of the Hereafter, will remain, but he will still be living with those in more than one universe (the verses emphasize that the "heavens of the hereafter" and the "earths" will exist forever).

In short; These verses also offer another, albeit indirect, explanation of the creation of more than one universe.

Only God is unique. It is the case that the servants created by Allah have spouses (same or opposite), that is, more than one of them.

These verses provide yet another proof that there is more than one number of planets and stars as well as universes. As long as you don't turn your back on the Qur'an.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 09:46:21 AM »
and;

ROLLING THE NIGHT OVER THE DAY
 

5- He created the heavens and the earth truthfully.
He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night…
39-The Throngs, 5

 
The Arabic word for “roll” is “yukevviru.” The word is used to describe the act of wrapping a turban around someone’s head. This word was also used in the sense of overlapping of the night and day and vice versa. The reason for the day’s turning into night and the night’s turning into day is due to the spheroid form of the earth. In this verse also we observe implied the sphericity of the world.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/geoidal-form-of-the-world/

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DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE

33- O society of jinns and men, cross the diameters of the heavens
and the earth, if you have the ability, then pass beyond them. But you cannot,
unless you acquire an authorization.
(55- Gracious, 33)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/diameters-of-the-earth-and-space/

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And;

"In addition to 18:86, they claim that 71:19, which says that God made the earth an expanse (wallahu ja'ala lakumu l-arda bisatan), implies a flat earth. However, the word bisatan means expanse, not flat. They apparently were asleep in kindergarten when the teacher went over shapes and sizes. Flat is a shape. Expansive is a size. For example, a piece of paper is flat, but not expansive. The earth is expansive, but not flat. They make the same mistake in translating and interpreting 51:48, which says that God made the earth expansive (farashnaha).

Curiously, they even cite 79:30 as evidence that the Quran says the earth is flat, even though it says the exact opposite (that the earth is shperical). 79:30 says, according to them, "and the earth, after that, He flattened it, and/or, and the earth, after that, He made it flat" (wa l-arda ba'da dhalika dahaha). They claim the word daha comes from the root for an Arabian ostrich's nest (madahy). According to them, the (now extinct) Arabian ostrich would flatten the ground before it layed it's eggs. Thus, they claim that dahaha means that He (God) flattened the earth like an Arabian ostrich flattens the ground before laying its eggs. However, the linguist, Prof. Martha Schulte-Nafeh, points out in her translation that the word daha also comes from the same root for the ostrich egg itself (dahyah). She points out that in the Libyan dialect, they still sometimes use the word dahyah for egg in addition to the more frequently used word baydah. Thus, she translates dahaha as "He made it egg-shaped". Now, take a look at this painting of an Arabian ostrich's nest from al-Jahiz's 9th century book on animals, "kitab al-hayawan":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Ostrich

Does the nest (madahy) look "flat" to you? The eggs (dahy) do look spherical to me, though. In addition to implying that the earth is spherical like an ostrich's egg, when the Quran talks about the night following the day and the day following the night in 39:5, it uses the verb yukawiru. Yukawiru comes from the KWR root, which means to roll or become round/spherical. The Arabic word for sphere, kurah, is derived from the same root.

As for the notion that "Muslim apologists" only recently started interpreting the Quran as saying the earth is round, the 9th century Quran commentator al-Jubba'i interpreted it this way in his now lost commentary. The 11th century scholar, ibn Hazm, interpreted it this way in his book "al-fisal fi l-milal wa l-nihal". And The 12th centery Quran commentator, ar-Razi, also interpreted it this way.

In addition to the aforementioned Muslim scholars, other Muslim scholars also believed the earth was ROUND:

"Muslim scholars who held to the round Earth theory used it for a quintessentially Islamic purpose: to calculate the distance and direction from any given point on the Earth to Makkah (Mecca).[56] This determined the Qibla, or Muslim direction of prayer.

"A terrestrial globe (Kura-i-ard) was among the presents sent by the Persian Muslim astronomer Jamal-al-Din to Kubla Khan in 1267. It was made of wood on which "seven parts of water are represented in green, three parts of land in white, with rivers, lakes etc."[57] Ho Peng Yoke remarks that "it did not seem to have any general appeal to the Chinese in those days"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Because Muslim scholars had to calculate the qibla on a ROUND earth, they practically invented spherical geometry:

"Muslims, according to Carra de Vaux, were "unquestionably the inventors of plane and spherical geometry, which did not, strictly speaking, exist among the Greeks".[2] The book of unknown arcs of a sphere written by Islamic mathematician Al-Jayyani is considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry. The book contains formulae for right-handed triangles, the general law of sines, and the solution of a spherical triangle by means of the polar triangle.[3]

"The book On Triangles by Regiomontanus, written around 1463, is the first pure trigonometrical work in Europe. However, Gerolamo Cardano noted a century later that much of the material there on spherical trigonometry was taken from the twelfth-century work of the Spanish Islamic scholar Jabir ibn Aflah."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth#Islamic_world

I should also point out that the Muslim scholar, al-Biruni, calculated the circumference of the ROUND earth in the 11th century. And the Muslim scholar, Ali Qushji, asserted that this ROUND earth was rotating in the 15th century. And here's a painting of Ottoman Muslim scholars studying a ROUND earth in the 16th century:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Taqi_al_din.jpg
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https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1267.0

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And;

Earth is spherical and in motion according to the Glorious Quran:

https://www.answering-christianity.com/egg-shaped_earth.htm

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 09:48:40 AM »
https://alquran-science.tumblr.com/post/183444192488/quran-claims-the-earth-to-be-sphere-geoid

Age Of Universe

3 times Age of Earth.

Quran 7:54
And your Lord, Allah, who created the Heavens and the Earth in six days and then settled on the Throne. [Allah] Covers the night with the day, asks for it persistently; and the sun and the moon and the stars enslaved by His orders. Is this not His creation and His command? Blessed be Allah the Lord of all the worlds.

Quran 41:9
Say: "Is it that you deny Him [Allah] who created the Earth in two days? And you claim others to be equal to Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds."

Quran 50:38
And we have created the Heavens and Earth and EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN in six days and We were not touched by fatigue.


The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).


https://www.miracles-of-quran.com/age_of_universe.html

Another miracle information here is that the arrangement of the existing universes takes two days/2 stages. Likewise, the creation of the world is in this last 2-day phase.

The Qur'an gives scientific information perfectly.

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 09:51:07 AM »
Quran saying stars shooting 'fireballs' into space

Holy Quran

Al Jinn Surah

8. ´And we pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.

9. ´We used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden) stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush.

67:5 We have adorned the lower heaven with lamps, and We made it with projectiles against the devils; and We prepared for them the retribution of the blazing fire.

Saffat Surah

6. We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars,-

7. (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil

8. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side,

9. Repulsed, for they are under a perpetual penalty,

10. Except such as snatch away something by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness.

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And today Hubble sees star shooting 'cannonballs' into space:

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2016/10/06/Hubble-sees-star-shooting-cannonballs-into-space/9071475783632/?ur3=1

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 10:45:53 AM »
Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not.  The earth is a globe.  No, there was no fire breathing dragons  :nope:
There are no mermaids.   :&   there are no unicorns.  there are no aliens here from another planet    :brickwall:
No bones of giants have ever been found.      :hmm  why do people believe such nonsense.  Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back.  why?  Just asking.   :handshake:

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Re: HEAVEN IS NOT PARADISE IT IS UNIVERSE
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 01:16:36 PM »
Peace hawk99,

Peace,

It's facinating that we are debating if the earth flat or not.  The earth is a globe.  No, there was no fire breathing dragons  :nope:
There are no mermaids.   :&   there are no unicorns.  there are no aliens here from another planet    :brickwall:
No bones of giants have ever been found.      :hmm  why do people believe such nonsense.  Now in America
some believe that former president Kennedy is coming back.  why?  Just asking.   :handshake:

God Bless                                                             :peace:
the voice of reason brother. :handshake:

Part of the problem is this: how to reconcile a religious faith and that their reference text (words of God, omniscient!) may contradicts or takes another way to explain the world than modern science or observations well established ?