Dr. Hany Atchan: A historic change is taking place in the world

[The Middle Path]

Peace ade_cool,

I wish Hany Atchan read what you wrote here.

I have sent him an email in the past. But he didn't reply to my email. Therefore, I won't send him a new email where I'll share what I wrote here with him. If he wants to read what I wrote, he can read it in this thread. Or perhaps you or someone else can send him a link to my post and/or to this thread through an email or through youtube. I won't post comments on Dr. Hany Atchan's youtube channel, because I don't post and interact with comments on youtube these days, and I'm not going to do it in the near future.   

By the way, Farid is not Quran believer as he is taking sahih hadith books as representative of the teaching from God's messenger.

He seems like a traditional muslim (namely sunni).

By the way, have you watched Hany Atchans video "YT90 Has Jesus returned already, according to the Quran? Evidence of a second coming that has passed"? He published the video on youtube on january 29th. I heartily recommend watching the video from the following minutes (33:36-41:17).You might find that part of the video interesting and educational. I think his analysis of verse 3:144 and verse 5:75 is good in that part of the video. He compares the translation of Abdel Haleem and Muhammad Asad with regard to verse 3:144 and verse 5:75.

[Fusion]

For the interest of all. I went through the YouTube and in one of the comments he replied with detailed explanation.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMM8pE_A5M

Check the first pinned comment.

Cheers

[Noon waalqalami]

For the interest of all. I went through the YouTube and in one of the comments he replied with detailed explanation.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3KMM8pE_A5M

Check the first pinned comment.

Cheers

peace, you gave him an easy one with nineteen fitna

likewise, mindless rant similar to his other nonsense

2:133 ... قالوا said they of نعبد we devote الهك deity your (singular) واله and deity ابىك forefathers your (sing.) ابرهىم Ibrahym واسمعىل and Ismail ...

4:163 انا indeed we اوحىنا inspires we of الىك to you (sing.) كما like/as what اوحىنا inspires we of الى to نوح Noah والنبىىن and the prophets من from بعده after him واوحىنا and inspires we of الى to ابرهىم Ibrahym واسمعىل and Ismail ...

14:35 واذ and when (past event) قال said ابرهىم Ibrahym ...
14:39 الحمد the praise لله to God الذى the one وهب bequeath لى to me على on الكبر the oldness اسمعىل Ismail واسحق and Isaac ...

Gotthelf-Bergsträßer-Archiv: Cairo, National Library: qāf 47
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/3/vers/144?handschrift=73

[Fusion]

Dears
I was only trying to point out that the so called doctor had provided his view in the comments section.
I am only a beginner in knowledge of Quran, and I hope to read all all and I hope have more clarity.
I may not accept for now doctor hany views.
For example in one video he was explaining that prophet Mohammad is none other than Zul Qarnain and he provided different explanation of Arabic language.

Look here

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKIeGG5nPUM&t=912s

I believe that people can easily criticize those early Islamic so called scholars who wrote those books explaining the understanding of Quran then,, but I also noticed that people now are also coming out and explaining the understanding of Quran in complete different perspectives..the quranists..like some claiming prophet was from different place than Makkah or the Kaaba is not what is in Mecca or all hadiths are false or the meaning of hajj is completely spiritual etc,

Maybe 500 years from now.. we will have a complete different concept of Quran or Islam or Muslims or religion as a whole and maybe all of humanity may follow a unified code that is linked to then scientific advancements.

If all of the history that is written is distorted and false then I believe one should focus only on the essential message of Quran and hope he will not be questioned beyond that when he meet the lord.



Cheers

[Euphoric]

Peace brothers and sisters,

TMP, could you please explain to me how you understand the word 3Arsh? I watched Dr. Hany's explanation and he doesn't explain how he came to define 3Arsh as Weltanschauung.

I've looked through several classic Arabic lexicons, and none even hint it to be metaphorical meaning pertaining to a person's worldview. This is one of the reasons I'm not in full support of his efforts as he redefines and claims them to be from the Abrahamic Locution without any support from the language itself.

[ade_cool]

Salam The Middle Path,

Peace ade_cool,

By the way, have you watched Hany Atchans video "YT90 Has Jesus returned already, according to the Quran? Evidence of a second coming that has passed"? He published the video on youtube on january 29th. I heartily recommend watching the video from the following minutes (33:36-41:17).You might find that part of the video interesting and educational. I think his analysis of verse 3:144 and verse 5:75 is good in that part of the video. He compares the translation of Abdel Haleem and Muhammad Asad with regard to verse 3:144 and verse 5:75.

As you recommend, I watch the youtube video within around the time window you mentioned.

If I understand correctly, Dr. Hany's conclusion is that Muhammad and Isa are the same person based on his analysis of 3:144 and 5:75.

Since I didn't watch his full video so I don't know whether the following verse has been explained as the verse contradicts his conclusion.

[61:6] And when Jesus, son of Mary, said: "O children  of Israel, I am a messenger of God to you, affirming what is between my hands of the Torah  and bringing good news of a messenger to come after me whose name will be 'most acclaimed.'" But when he showed them the clear proofs, they said: "This is clearly magic."

As per 61:6, Isa is clearly not the last messenger as he is bringing good news regarding messenger who will come after him.


Wassalam

[scaliskan]

Peace scaliskan,

You make some valid points in your post. Sometimes it's hard to know if a scholar is sincere and has a pure heart. Moreover, sometimes it's hard to know if a scholar is honest and trustworthy. Nevertheless, there is no need to be disappointed with scholars or expect them to be or behave in a certain way. As an arab proverb says, "Examine what is said, not him who speaks." Additionally, there is no need to expect a scholar to have a specific understanding of the Quran. Also, there is no need to expect a scholar to have a perfect understanding of the Quran. Because no scholar is infallible or faultless. Scholars are humans like everyone else and are bound to make mistakes. Therefore, some of their interpretations of the quran will undoubtedly be wrong/false. No scholar has the final word. That's a fact.

We are not supposed to follow men. The Quran actually never urges us to follow men. The quran urges us to follow God. Scholars can serve as advisors, mentors and teachers for us. Scholars can also serve as examples for us. Furthermore, their path can serve as an inspiration for us. We are supposed to take responsibility for our own learning. We are supposed to become self-reliant and self-directed learners. We are not supposed to become dependent on scholars. We are not supposed to be spoon-fed by scholars. Ultimately, we are supposed to carve our own path.

Sorry for my belated reply. I'm not a frequenter. I have no intend to focus on people rather than ideas. But we have a duty to enjoin goodness and dissuade from evil. So at least we have an obligation to warn him.

[scaliskan]

Salam scaliskan,
Where did you ask the technical questions? Is it in comments section of his youtube videos?

How do we tell if a youtube channel is being monetized?

I agree with you that it is counterproductive to monetize if the intention is to spread knowledge of Quran.

[36:21] "Follow those who do not ask you for any wage, and are guided."

I asked most of them in comments. You can possibly see my nickname.
If you see ads in the video the channel is monetized.

[jkhan]

https://youtu.be/R2G42x0K4Bg?si=FOBx3W0eeJTOCVB6

Isn't the above video contradictory to the below video

https://www.youtube.com/live/J1Wt_FBftw4?si=8y6JwuOQt6Fii-qc

[quranstudent]

Salamun Alaikum:

At first it was very refreshing to see that Dr. Hany uses the Quran to understand Quran. I spent a lot of time on his content - and he does drag things a lot. I had some initial minor concerns that later became big issues.

1. The use of catchy / click-baity / marketing titles
2. The constant begging for likes / subscribes / comments
3. The channel had a subscription model from the get go; but now its paid/mandatory - which goes against a very important Sunnah of the Messengers. Q26:109 (repeated 17 times across Quran)
4. The constant "MY Disclosures", "You only heard it from ME"
5. The name-calling to "Farid responds" - instead of a gentle response and "Salamun Alaikum" as per Q28:55
6. The constant fear-mongering (They are after us) and cultish followers he inculcates around himself on his forum
7. The fact that he and his followers cannot tolerate simple/genuine questions or gaps in his analysis or quick-judgement; people were constantly rebuked and kicked out for questions or different conclusions.
8. He wrote a long, derogatory and pride-full comment on another Quran-only youtube channel (Al-Moses). Then he posted on his own forum calling Al-Moses a scheming-devious-Ummayyad who stole HIS (Dr. Hany's) disclosures and is attributing it to himself.
9. One of his conclusions is that Isa-Ibn-Maryam actually committed shirk and told people that the Way to Allah is ONLY through him. I will reserve my comments on this. However, the irony is that he and his followers are blind to the fact that Dr Hany himself is falling into that ego-trap. It is all about "His disclosures", "His channel", "His work", "His copyrights". His followers call him their "Tayr" (common meaning Bird) which he translates as the angels/teachers that would descend to educate the Messenger.

Please note that I am not critiquing his actual content here. That is a longer discussion. I don't see anything wrong with his proposed methodology. May Allah reward him for the good that he has done. I was just awakened to the fact that he is a human being after all and he has his weaknesses which his followers do not see.

DISCLAIMER:

Dr. Hany uses repeating phrases across Quran in his analysis for correlation and insights.

I am honored to have worked on a Quran Study tool quranmorphology.com (free/no-ads). Among other things, this tool shows all repeated phrases/markers (similarity index) from Quran per ayah. 

I reached out to Dr. Hany initially (early 2023) and he did 2 zoom sessions with me. He was very impressed with the tool and offered to take me as a 1-on-1 student with the condition that I shut down the free website. It was a very strange request. I politely told him that I am not looking for fame, followers or monetary gains - the website will stay up and will always be free and anonymous - so he rescinded his offer. On his forum, I asked several questions and gaps I saw in his analysis based on the findings from the tool. He wouldn't answer. I posted some results form the tool on the forum in response to a question at which point I was kicked out from the forum and Dr. Hany sent me a nasty email afterwards. It seems that he does not want anyone to have access to free tools that will help students of Quran.