Dr. Hany Atchan: A historic change is taking place in the world

[good logic]

The million pound question:
Why should we please Allah in what we do?
Everyone has their own god ,are we not pleasing our our own gods?

So freedom of choice dictates that no one should dictate to another and force choices.

The next question that arises for each one of us is: is who is your god?
One can  simply say I did not choose to be human why should I please anyone?.
This is where we need to answer the question of "purpose of life" without forcing anyone to choose anything they do not want to

SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER THAT IS BOTH LOGICAL AND  MAKES SENSE TO OUR LIFE AS HUMANS?
Does Qoran addresses this point?
I believe it does .
GOD bless.
Peace.

[amin]

Peace Goodlogic,

Allah has a specific meaning in Quran, which i think is related with common goodness, so our God is God for everyone, is what Islam is all about, many other religions has multiple personalities with certain traits but muslims fall before the sacredness of God with our ignorance, ie MasjidAlHaram and thats not a specific place as east or west doesn't matter, but we humans always have this pride and  ego and would want to dominate one over the other we take ownership of our God and the result is our own suffering.

[good logic]

Peace amin.
We need to reflect on what is real power and who has it? Then we will see where this leads to.
Surely there should be no gaps of not having power nor should it transfer from one to another?
We need to reflect on restraints of those who claim power and we can easily see they do not possess real power.

Then who has real power continuously? Why?
Are we not living in an open prison called earth? Why, if any of us had real power can they not free themselves?

We need to reflect on "need" itself,is it about our needs or what is needed by the "real power"?
The real power knows best how to initiate creation and repeat it. There was no other power before it nor there will be after it.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[hawk99]

Peace

I watched his videos and I conclude at this point they are too long and meandering.
He needs to answer his own questions in a shorter clip and not go for an hour or
more.  It's boring and repetitive, I'm sure he's may be right about some things but
so far I'll say he's good at putting me to sleep. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.


                                                               

[The Middle Path]

Peace hawk99,

I see what you mean. Nevertheless, it seems that Hany Atchan is quickly trying to get all of his findings/discoveries accessible to a large audience, and therefore focuses more on what he shares rather than how he's sharing it. Let's hope that he will get to the point quicker in the future by making short videos, or by writing short books and short articles, where he explains his thoughts in a short and concise manner. Regardless, I think it's well worth your time watching at least some of his videos. Because Hany Atchan's findings seem just as groundbreaking (trailblazing) as the findings of Muhammad Asad, Muhammad Shahrour, Ayman Muhammad and a few other highly knowledgeable scholars.

Here are just a few of his findings:

- Isa and Yahya were brothers of the same mother (Mary) and father (Zakariya). Yahya was not the cousin of Isa.
- Abu Lahab and Firaun are the same person.
- The word/term "zikr" means quranic stories and parables. The word/term "zikr" doesn't mean remembrance.
- The quran ensures that the meanings of its vocabulary don't change over time.
- The quranic stories provide the keys that would unlock the meanings of the words/terms that are is used in the Quran. One purpose of these stories is fixing the meanings of these words/terms. But most muslim scholars didn't pay attention to the quranic stories. Instead, they understood the quranic verses based on the language of the arabs and based on distorted/corrupted versions of earlier scriptures. The Quran warned us against understanding quranic verses based on the language of the arabs (26:224).

By the way, please check this post for a review of Hany Atchan's work.

[hawk99]

Peace hawk99,

I see what you mean. Nevertheless, it seems that Hany Atchan is quickly trying to get all of his findings/discoveries accessible to a large audience, and therefore focuses more on what he shares rather than how he's sharing it. Let's hope that he will get to the point quicker in the future by making short videos, or by writing short books and short articles, where he explains his thoughts in a short and concise manner. Regardless, I think it's well worth your time watching at least some of his videos. Because Hany Atchan's findings seem just as groundbreaking (trailblazing) as the findings of Muhammad Asad, Muhammad Shahrour, Ayman Muhammad and a few other highly knowledgeable scholars.

Here are just a few of his findings:

- Isa and Yahya were brothers of the same mother (Mary) and father (Zakariya). Yahya was not the cousin of Isa.
- Abu Lahab and Firaun are the same person.
- The word/term "zikr" means quranic stories and parables. The word/term "zikr" doesn't mean remembrance.
- The quran ensures that the meanings of its vocabulary don't change over time.
- The quranic stories provide the keys that would unlock the meanings of the words/terms that are is used in the Quran. One purpose of these stories is fixing the meanings of these words/terms. But most muslim scholars didn't pay attention to the quranic stories. Instead, they understood the quranic verses based on the language of the arabs and based on distorted/corrupted versions of earlier scriptures. The Quran warned us against understanding quranic verses based on the language of the arabs (26:224).

By the way, please check this post for a review of Hany Atchan's work.

Peace The Middle Path, I did continue to watch the videos albeit not all at once and may have
missed some points he made, but overall I agree with him.  For awhile I have come to understand
that the message, guidance and wisdom that is being conveyed to us from Quran are not all
fantastical literal accounts devoid of any resemblance to reality. I myself have discovered the necessity
of walking through the door of 3:7 to gain an entrance to understanding the Quran as Hany Atchan's
stated in his post.  I left Sunniism only to take their teachings and understandings with me to
God alone    but not anymore Allah has given me a better understanding of reality. 

Praise God         

[Noon waalqalami]

Here are just a few of his findings:

- Isa and Yahya were brothers of the same mother (Mary) and father (Zakariya). Yahya was not the cousin of Isa.
- Abu Lahab and Firaun are the same person.
- The word/term "zikr" means quranic stories and parables. The word/term "zikr" doesn't mean remembrance.
- The quran ensures that the meanings of its vocabulary don't change over time.
- The quranic stories provide the keys that would unlock the meanings of the words/terms that are is used in the Quran.
One purpose of these stories is fixing the meanings of these words/terms. But most muslim scholars didn't pay attention to the quranic stories. Instead, they understood the quranic verses based on the language of the arabs and based on distorted/corrupted versions of earlier scriptures. The Quran warned us against understanding quranic verses based on the language of the arabs (26:224).

By the way, please check this post for a review of Hany Atchan's work.

peace, he's a headcase one of the worst rants on internet right up there with numerologists.

see my prior posts cross-reference words suspect he's a missionary troll out to sow discord.

[Euphoric]

Peace Euphoric,
Most contemporary Muslims face five basic problems in their engagement of the QurꜤān:

1. Language barrier.
2. Weird interpretations and translations that do not make sense.
3. Contradicting / misleading / incongruent translations.
4. Mythological, Fairy tale like tafseers that offend the intellect and cater only to the superstitious and the uneducated.
5. Asbabun-nuzul: A gathering of stories that are claimed to be the reasons for revelation of various verses of the QUraꜤān..

I agree, and in addition the Quranic understanding has been stained by using the Torah and Bible.

The issue isn't the methodology, it is the conclusions and his additions to force a narrative into agreeing with him. Some examples have already been mentioned by others.

[Euphoric]

Muhammad Asad, Muhammad Shahrour, Ayman Muhammad and a few other highly knowledgeable scholars.

Hamiduddin Farahi has done a great service using Quranic methodology.

[QuoteHere are just a few of his findings:

- Isa and Yahya were brothers of the same mother (Mary) and father (Zakariya). Yahya was not the cousin of Isa.
- Abu Lahab and Firaun are the same person.
- The word/term "zikr" means quranic stories and parables. The word/term "zikr" doesn't mean remembrance.
- The quran ensures that the meanings of its vocabulary don't change over time.
- The quranic stories provide the keys that would unlock the meanings of the words/terms that are is used in the Quran. One purpose of these stories is fixing the meanings of these words/terms. But most muslim scholars didn't pay attention to the quranic stories. Instead, they understood the quranic verses based on the language of the arabs and based on distorted/corrupted versions of earlier scriptures. The Quran warned us against understanding quranic verses based on the language of the arabs (26:224).
[/quote]

It is better to say according to his understanding instead of his findings, although some of what he said is not far fetched.

- Zakariya could have been the father of Yahya and Eessa even though I disagree with his understanding of "Ghulam".

- As Firawn and Abu Lahab. Firawn was a name not a title. He should research more into its location which is most likely not Egypt.

- Thikr is an umbrella term which does include stories and parables.

- I agree the Torah and Bible are corrupt. In fact, I would say these are not books from God.

[The Middle Path]

Peace The Middle Path, I did continue to watch the videos albeit not all at once and may have
missed some points he made, but overall I agree with him.  For awhile I have come to understand
that the message, guidance and wisdom that is being conveyed to us from Quran are not all
fantastical literal accounts devoid of any resemblance to reality. I myself have discovered the necessity
of walking through the door of 3:7 to gain an entrance to understanding the Quran as Hany Atchan's
stated in his post.  I left Sunniism only to take their teachings and understandings with me to
God alone    but not anymore Allah has given me a better understanding of reality. 

Praise God         

Peace hawk99,

I am grateful for your thoughtful and sagacious reply.

I concur with you. My study of the quran has led me to understand that it has a practical and realistic approach to life and the world in general. All the quran is relevant, every word and verse in it is there for a reason. It's an instruction manual to life. Its message increases our faith in Allah. It counsels us to put its theory into practice. It urges us to be muslims and make efforts to become mumins. It makes us realize that there are higher and higher levels of faith and understanding. As soon as we think we have reached the end of our journey, we are reminded again and again that this is just the beginning. It's humbling to realize this and it makes our journey worthwhile and fulfilling.