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Re: Why are Christian women converting to Islam?
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2022, 08:51:35 AM »

9. Women were given rights to Vote less than a
100 years ago in the (US), while the Quran (42:38) gave
Women Voting rights almost 1,500 years ago.

10. Islam has unconfined Women and has given them
the human right to reach for the sky. There have been
Muslim Women Presidents through out the centuries,
but to this date, the oppressive mentality of the
men in the Western U.S.A. has stopped any Women from becoming
Presidents in predominately Christian countries,
while the Muslim countries have voted for and
elected Female Presidents."


FROM JEWS FOR ALLAH ORG...

Depends which version of Islam you're looking at? Their rights in the puritanical/extremist/wahabbi-esque versions are most definitely not "sky high". "Sky high" is obviously a weird exaggerated way to put it anyway, no matter what version.
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Re: Why are Christian women converting to Islam?
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2022, 09:07:50 AM »
Depends which version of Islam you're looking at?omen-really-have-more-rights-than-muslim-men-in-islam/?preview_id=704&preview_nonce=4b6057f305&preview=true

There is only one version of Islam.

We are not talking about human formations and their interpretations.

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Re: Why are Christian women converting to Islam?
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2022, 10:09:33 AM »
There is only one version of Islam.

All sects seem to believe so.
Yet there are people out there interpreting even the Qur'an in different ways. Some Quranists believe in 5 prayers, some in 3 and some don't believe in ritual prayer at all. Some believe in the permissibility of 4 marriages for males, some don't. A few even seem to think you can drink alcohol and others don't. There are Quranists also debating the topics of fasting, Hajj etc.
The majority are the Sunnis with their more "mainstream" version of Islam. They tend to agree on the basics at least. Salah, Sawm, Hajj, Zakah, abstinence etc. But then they have their own issues with questionable hadith, practices that have no basis in the Qur'an, lack of debate etc.
Then we have further sects and sub-sects.
But this is all another debate.

I guess we all have to find our own path.

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Re: Why are Christian women converting to Islam?
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2022, 02:10:02 PM »
 In reality there is only one Islam. The different interpretations are because people have problems.

For example, the Koran says that God exists and is one. On the other hand, the spiritists and their extensions, the Sufis, say/argue that there is no God, that this is a symbolic expression, that it represents the system. Within the pantheistic philosophy, Sufis worship themselves and the universe. We see examples even in this forum. In the same way, many people deny the depictions of heaven and hell and claim that they are symbolic representations. In other words, they present the opposite of what the Quran says as religion. It is because of such perversions of the heart or other problems in people that there are different opinions when interpreting the verses. Miracle deniers commit the same atrocity. Those who say that Allah does not know the future commit the same terrible mistake.

The Quran gives information in a clear way, it explains everything in a simple way that even a primary school child can understand.

In short, there is really only one Islam. If you read the book in its entirety and accept the clear first meaning of the verses, religion does not change from person to person, everyone understands the verses in the same way.

At least on the most basic issues. That is, God exists and is one. We, the servants, are created completely separate from Allah, that is, created out of nothing. That is why shirk is the greatest sin. Paradise and hell are real and are physical places. The descriptions are one-to-one real. Salat exists, etc...The only source of religion is the Quran. You can get rich in unlimited amounts in a halal way, etc.

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« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2022, 11:11:34 PM »
In reality there is only one Islam. The different interpretations are because people have problems.

There are many form claiming to be the "Truest" of the religion of Islam.
Each form / group claiming to be 'superior' / 'truest' compared to others.
That's the given impact of claiming 'superiority' / 'truest' born from the philosophy of separation.

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For example, the Koran says that God exists and is one. On the other hand, the spiritists and their extensions, the Sufis, say/argue that there is no God, that this is a symbolic expression, that it represents the system. Within the pantheistic philosophy, Sufis worship themselves and the universe. We see examples even in this forum.

At least on the most basic issues. That is, God exists and is one. We, the servants, are created completely separate from Allah

Interesting you mentioned the sufis, and how you opposed to it.

Sufis are well known for it's "Wahdat Al-Wujd" philosophy.
If explained in plain english it will be:
All exist in unity.
Or
Only God exist

Very similar to Yogis: Brahman Satyam Jagat Mithya.
Only Brahman is real, the universe is an illusion.

And yes religion (ie: Islam, Christianity, Judaism) which mainly propagate the belief of separation or quoting your statement above, "completely separate from Allah/God" has been opposing and suppressing the "unity" philosophy propagated by Sufis, Yogis and even Jesus and John.

Jesus is a good example of people punished with death by religion due to holding such belief.
Another example which recently came into my attention is "Siti Jenar", 16th century Indonesian sufis who are also punished by religion with death due to his statement of "Me and God are One".

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Re: All Exist In One
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2022, 04:52:44 PM »
There are many form claiming to be the "Truest" of the religion of Islam.
Each form / group claiming to be 'superior' / 'truest' compared to others.
That's the given impact of claiming 'superiority' / 'truest' born from the philosophy of separation.

Interesting you mentioned the sufis, and how you opposed to it.

Sufis are well known for it's "Wahdat Al-Wujd" philosophy.
If explained in plain english it will be:
All exist in unity.
Or
Only God exist

Very similar to Yogis: Brahman Satyam Jagat Mithya.
Only Brahman is real, the universe is an illusion.

And yes religion (ie: Islam, Christianity, Judaism) which mainly propagate the belief of separation or quoting your statement above, "completely separate from Allah/God" has been opposing and suppressing the "unity" philosophy propagated by Sufis, Yogis and even Jesus and John.

Jesus is a good example of people punished with death by religion due to holding such belief.
Another example which recently came into my attention is "Siti Jenar", 16th century Indonesian sufis who are also punished by religion with death due to his statement of "Me and God are One".

How can I and God be one if I can't even create an insect??? I'm powerless, I don't control life. I may be part of God's imagination but I have no power. I'm just a mortal restricted by the laws of physics and the reality of this existence. Only He has power. If I and God were one then I would have as much power as God. If everyone is part of God, why do we not have god-like powers? It makes no sense.
'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

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Re: All Exist In One
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2022, 07:17:53 PM »
How can I and God be one if I can't even create an insect??? I'm powerless, I don't control life. I may be part of God's imagination but I have no power. I'm just a mortal restricted by the laws of physics and the reality of this existence. Only He has power. If I and God were one then I would have as much power as God. If everyone is part of God, why do we not have god-like powers? It makes no sense.

That's the reason why it's advisable to ponder:
"WHO AM I"

Once the question has been posted, an answer will come.

Another more detailed questions to ponder are this.

We always label things with "my something".
My religion, my nationality, my name, my body, my head, my hands, my heart, my legs, my hair etc...
But where/who is "me" only without the "something"?

Notice that all of those 'something' will have an ending...
Even thing as big as "my galaxy" (milky way), "my star" (sun) or "my planet" (earth).

Ponder as well how easy we are to identify ourselves with 'something' even when the 'thing' is so 'abstract'.  (ie: my language) that even those abstract things are subject to change.

If you think "I am that figure that I see in the mirror".. better think again.
Because the figure that you see in the mirror and all the 'things' that he/she has identified him/herself with will one day be vanished.

All exist in one, albeit multitude of identities
There's only one that truly exist, all identities are temporary.

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Re: All Exist In One
« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2022, 12:59:01 AM »
That's the reason why it's advisable to ponder:
"WHO AM I"

Once the question has been posted, an answer will come.

Another more detailed questions to ponder are this.

We always label things with "my something".
My religion, my nationality, my name, my body, my head, my hands, my heart, my legs, my hair etc...
But where/who is "me" only without the "something"?

Notice that all of those 'something' will have an ending...
Even thing as big as "my galaxy" (milky way), "my star" (sun) or "my planet" (earth).

Ponder as well how easy we are to identify ourselves with 'something' even when the 'thing' is so 'abstract'.  (ie: my language) that even those abstract things are subject to change.

If you think "I am that figure that I see in the mirror".. better think again.
Because the figure that you see in the mirror and all the 'things' that he/she has identified him/herself with will one day be vanished.

All exist in one, albeit multitude of identities
There's only one that truly exist, all identities are temporary. NO NO>>

you are super ridiculous Jafaar... i think you are brainwashed by watching some of those videos called WHO AM I any article or books.. whatever... identity will never vanish it will take you to the day of resurrection..

No one will burden sin of another.. belongings ... Your killing another person... do you think identity would vanish? don't make a joke in this forum brother.. WHO AM I .... that will remain forever as long as the Earth and Heaven last... i mean not the present one the one which is gonna be ...

Nothing will vanish... it will hover you.. every action every single person does will be the identity of every person... nothing will vanish.. If one has killed another innocent person.. His identity is a Murderer.. YOU are a murderer.. you can't make it vanish.. that remains until the judgement ... unless God forgives ....

WHO AM I? the actions we do are who we are.. don't forget that... you get according to what YOUR / i get according to MY... you can't delete these YOUR and MY or whatever.. wrong logic and brainwashed you are...
Let us die with guidance
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Re: All Exist In One
« Reply #78 on: September 13, 2022, 09:48:23 AM »
No one will burden sin of another.. belongings ... Your killing another person... do you think identity would vanish? don't make a joke in this forum brother..

It's ok not to accept the idea if it doesn't resonate with you.
And choose one that resonate with you the most.

You seem to mis-interpret 'vanishing' and 'ending'.

Everything that has a beginning will have an ending, only those who doesn't have a beginning  will never had an ending. That figure that you saw in the mirror has a beginning (birth) so it will also have an ending (death).

Everything else also has it's own lifecycle, earth has a beginning so it will also have an ending.
The sun has a beginning and the sun will also have an ending.
Even the 'fabric of space and time' which once thought to be 'empty' and 'has no ending' also have an ending.

Yet beginning and ending is two side of the same coin, it depends on how one look at it.
An 'ending' of something is the 'beginning' of something else.
The ending of a star like the sun, is the beginning of one or more new stars.

Let's scale it down to a smaller scale for easier understanding.
jafar has a beginning it will also have an ending.
As jafar only exist in this forum universe, and this forum universe will also have an ending.
When this forum is dead, so will jafar.

The consciousness behind jafar will remain, as consciousness doesn't need a webforum to exist, and jafar is only one among many of the consciousness identity. The consciousness continue, the jafar doesn't.

jafar as identity can be 'switched around' as well, the identity is the same but the consciousness behind it is different. Suddenly one recognize the 'change' of characteristic from an identity named jafar in this forum. Thus see how 'virtual' the identity named jafar is, and also this forum.

Yet when this forum is finally dead.
What remains is the 'data' or the 'memory' being archived somewhere by the server admin.
The 'data' is not 'vanished' yet the identities and the forum has meet the end of it's lifecycle.
Nothing last forever..

But again feel free to reject the idea if it doesn't resonate with you.
And took those which resonate with you the most.
What resonate with you will be manifested for you.