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An important question about freewill

Started by Mahdi20, September 13, 2021, 07:49:36 AM

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jkhan

Quote from: Green Anarchism on September 14, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
Yes, I'm waiting to see how you escape the "consequences of your choice"  :rotfl:


Peace...

Your waiting to see the consequences of others won't make any difference in the decision of Allah...  You wait and we wait and let God decide.. Just get out ignorance...  There is no value for ignorance.. Just answer to people's questions how it deserve rather than making it fun out of it...

Salam everyone..

6:112 "And thus We have made for every prophet an enemy - devils from mankind and jinn, inspiring to one another decorative speech in delusion. But if your Lord HAD WILLED, they would not have done it, so leave them and that which they invent. "

Lets clarify the above verse about what God didn't will... Here it is clear that Had God willed He would not have let those ignorants to concoct or rather fabricate stories... And God let it happen as they WILLED.. God didn't interfere in their WILL..

If anyone still ponder that everything happens according to the will of God as most say conventionally then it is obviously wrong statement which has no support within Quran...  What God does and what human does are entirely two different things..  Deeply ponder.. That's the way..

I would like to give couple of examples..
God says why you not fight against those who persecute your people.. They can simply say God didnt will so we don't fight.. But while God orders to do.. How come God has a will that these people not to fight and still questioning them why not  fight..
Or.. Why you kill innocent children.. Clearly it is not the will of God.. If so why God should ask why you kill innocent children while that is his will...  So dive in deeply into the verses of Quran and crack out the truth for yourself...

We have will.. And God has will.. Will is not only with God but with human being as well.. A man copulate with his wife.. It his own will and not the will of God.. If there is a baby in the womb of his wife,  that is the will of God.. Try to grasp the difference...

Mosa story and musa life... Yes God did have a plan over musa...  This is called Mercy.. But Allah didn't go agaisnt Musa's will... Everything  musa did in his life was his own will..  Is it God's will that musa should kill a person.. No way... It was Musa's aggression and got duped by his friend.. But Allah did show mercy on him by forgiving him.. Coz Allah forgives whom He wills.. No one can forgive... Mosas mother was inspired... That's the will of God.. Her reluctance her worry all her will.. God strenthed her heart... That's mercy..  In the end Mosa was returned to his mother.. That's is mercy of Allah.. And Allah shows mercy to whom He wills..
Musa did ask God to give his brother as support and it was a mercy towards musa.. Allah shows mercy to whom he wills in abundance... When mercy of Allah comes that changes our destiny...
If Allah is to say one day to Hell are you full?  Then it is the knowledge of God... If Allah to forgive everyone on earth and it is the Will of God...
We can't change the mercy,  knowledge and will of God in our life.. We live within our own frame with our own will..
Let us die with guidance

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jkhan

Quote from: Green Anarchism on September 14, 2021, 12:55:47 PM
Yes, I'm waiting to see how you escape the "consequences of your choice" 

Okay keep following me...  I have no time to wait for you..  :rotfl:

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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 14, 2021, 05:56:47 PM
My Turkish article translated with machine:

Our Lord's knowledge does not affect free will.

The fact that God knows what we will do with our free will is interpreted by some people as "no free will". Objections such as "So we cannot do the opposite of what is known" are rising.

No, knowing what to choose with our free will does not affect the freedom of will. There is not even the slightest connection.

Being able to do the opposite of something is one thing, and doing it is another.

For example, let's say a person would choose option A in such and such an event. Our Lord knows this too. There is also the freedom to do the opposite, that is, not to choose this option. But he will choose option A by his own decision.

In short, he may not make the move of choosing option A, but he will do it anyway.

Man does not choose because Allah knows, but our Creator knows because he chooses option A of his own free will.

Let's take a different example:

11:107 Abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes. Your Lord does as He pleases.

11:108 As for those who are happy, they will be in the Paradise; abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes, a giving without end.

Almighty God is here telling us what he will do in the future.

And he says "I will never remove those in Paradise unless I wish otherwise"

And he promises he won't.

In other words, he says, "I can change my decision if I want, but those in Paradise will stay there forever because I have free willed them to stay."

This provides us with a second proof, another proof of free will.

In this case, we know what God will do in the future.

But it means that our knowing what God will do in the future does not affect His free will.

Just as His knowing what we are going to do does not affect our free will.

Being able to do something is one thing, doing it is another. And this is the result of free will.

Greetings and love.

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And, again my other article with machine translation:

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jkhan

Quote from: Green Anarchism on September 15, 2021, 04:47:52 AM


You are free to choose, but you are not free from the consequences of your choice ...



There you are... Well... That's perfect... That's what I have been explaining all the way...
Everyone has freewill and live the life and we will see the consequences of the day of judgement..  Thatvday we will be responsible for what we did with our free will.. God is innocent for what we did.. God is just...

Or your above statement is by chance missing some words.. Hope not..  :rotfl:
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ade_cool

Quote from: Mahdi20 on September 13, 2021, 07:49:36 AM
And i know that God knows everything.... so if God knows my future, what about freewill?

Help me please.... im so confused  :confused: :confused:


Salam Mahdi20,

You might want to check this post:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610975.msg428861#msg428861


Wassalam