Author Topic: The Talibans, Radical Sunni Group, Is Taking Over Afghanistan & Why It's Good  (Read 4108 times)

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Abdun Nur.

You say,quote:

"do you read to learn the models, from the links I present, no, would it be possible to debate this to the point you would read the information, no, would it be possible to alter your predetermined conclusions through any form of discourse, no."

Just like you advise,I am trying hard like you to use reason. Yes of course I read most of the information you present. That is why I am asking you questions.
So you have given up on me. Are you also giving up on the majority?
So your system will be of no use then?

If you think your system is sound,then have faith in it but reflect on the issue I am highlighting.
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1. It'll force Muslims to have a honest dialogue for Islamic reform.

Islam needs a reformation. Period. You can blame Taliban on western imperialism all you want but at the end of the day, the west didn't teach Talibans all the hideous religious practices that they enforce. I can show you numerous binding hadith & even Quranic passages supporting Taliban backward laws & practices.

Salam,

I think you are very optimistic here. It is not as if the Taliban didn't rule Afghanistan 20 years ago, ISIS and its crimes didn't happen. And yet, no true religious reformation in Islam really took place despite repeated calls to it, and missed occasions.


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Back then, there were no social media or internet to really expose the depth of the horror. Today is a little different. Of course, I'm not counting on it to trigger reform. It'll require host of Muslim countries apart from Afghanistan falling under Taliban like rule for that to happen. As long as Muslims can seek asylum in the west or other less Islamist countries where they can cherry pick & practice as they like without any compulsion, they won't recognize the need for reform.

That said, I still feel like more Muslims will see the need for reform when they really see that what true Sharia as traditionally culled from Qur'an & Sunna looks like.
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1. It'll force Muslims to have a honest dialogue for Islamic reform.

Islam needs a reformation. Period. You can blame Taliban on western imperialism all you want but at the end of the day, the west didn't teach Talibans all the hideous religious practices that they enforce. I can show you numerous binding hadith & even Quranic passages supporting Taliban backward laws & practices.

And in 2021, for people to just pretend that Islam is a religion of peace & the Talibans are just radicals who misunderstand Islam, is plain dishonest. The Taliban at least between '96 & 2001 were practising Islam as was literally spelt in traditional Islamic text, it was the so called moderate or liberal Muslims who went rogue & deviated from the script without an official sort of reform.

If there was a formal reform to explain away these outdated and backward teachings in Islam like the Protestant reformation did with Christianity, we wouldn't be having the Talibans. But because Muslims insist against reform, they have to chose between dishonestly cherry picking between traditional teachings in order to stay moderate or embracing all of the teachings & thus imbibing the hideous teaching that breeds fanaticism. The only other alternative is apostasy

Even "Protestanism" now need a 'reform' so to speak.
Look at the purist / fundamentalist in the US for an example.

Yet in any case this always has been an 'eternal conflict' between moderatism vs fanaticism, cherry picking and self discernment vs blind obedience, tolerance vs bigotry,

The actual form of how the 'conflict' appears varies and it's apparent throughout nearly the entire earth society, throughout history.

Specifically in today's era and more specifically in the (so called) Islamic world, pay close attention to what happened in the country where 230 millions of it's population declared "Islam as Social Identity", Indonesia. The 'above conflict' is clearly apparent, yet apparently moderatism, self discernment and tolerance still got the upper hand, at least for now.

And they're currently #1 on "World Giving Index".
https://www.cafonline.org/about-us/publications/2021-publications/caf-world-giving-index-2021

Also among the top 3 of World Giving Index, another country with 100 millions of it's population, declared "Islam as Social Identity", Nigeria, where moderatism, self discernment and tolerance still got the upper hand.