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Started by Emre_1974tr, August 14, 2021, 04:51:30 PM

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jkhan

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 02, 2021, 03:01:08 PM
Nobody needs to be in hell right now. But There are some special people living in Paradise now.

Hell seems to exist as an entity now.

The Lord's Floor (Indallah) Name of the Hereafter Universe.

In the verse you gave, it is told that the resurrected people will encounter hell on the Day of Judgment. It is not told that Hell was created at that time.

51:22 In the heaven is your provision, and what you are promised.

Heaven is universe and it has got hell and paradise.

73:12 We have with Us chains and a raging fire.

And look at my English article:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nobody-has-got-ghost-according-to-quran.html

What about the below authentic hadith of bukhari brother....  It clearly says Mohamed has witnessed poor women were in hell more than men for hilarious reason... Point is hell is active and people living and women more... So... Hell is not yet created according to Quran that's manifest within Quran and point to debate in detail...

If anyone says hell is already created and people living in it literally then can welcome this haditg and many more hadith concocted unfortunately in the name of innocent Prophet Muhammad...

As simple as that... God will recreate everything again in better shape... That's his promos... And hell is not far for others to ask for some water...

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nimnimak_11

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 02, 2021, 06:04:22 AM
Drop the  pagan hadith books please (Bible and others).

Peace Emre

I've not read all of the Bible, but I think I am good at recognising products of divine inspiration. The Bible (that which I have read of it so far) is as clearly a product of divine inspiration to me as the Quran is. But I do think the Quran is more gentle. Almost as if the wrath God had lessened on humanity by Muhammad's time.

good logic

Peace Emre_1974tr
Without verses clearly indicating that hell exists now, this is your assumption,quote:.

"Hell seems to exist as an entity now."

Why would hell exist now if it is not operational?
Qoran clearly states in the above verses I gave you that hell will exist and be operational on the day of judgement.

As for what is with GOD, well everything is with GOD,the past, present and future.What He created, what He is creating and what He will create.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: nimnimak_11 on September 03, 2021, 06:57:06 AM
Peace Emre

I've not read all of the Bible, but I think I am good at recognising products of divine inspiration. The Bible (that which I have read of it so far) is as clearly a product of divine inspiration to me as the Quran is. But I do think the Quran is more gentle. Almost as if the wrath God had lessened on humanity by Muhammad's time.

Hi friend;


False Bible is pagan hadith book:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609978.0

But of course, extraordinarily accurate and beautiful information can also be found in hadith books.

Peace

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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: good logic on September 03, 2021, 08:29:17 AM
Peace Emre_1974tr
Without verses clearly indicating that hell exists now, this is your assumption,quote:.

"Hell seems to exist as an entity now."

Why would hell exist now if it is not operational?
Qoran clearly states in the above verses I gave you that hell will exist and be operational on the day of judgement.

As for what is with GOD, well everything is with GOD,the past, present and future.What He created, what He is creating and what He will create.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace friend;

The verses describe the existence of Hell and I give examples. You are not considering my article in its entirety.

The verse you gave describes people's encounter with Hell on the Day of Judgment. He never says that hell is being created at that moment. Hell already existed and is approaching in the apocalypse. Just like Paradise. The Universe of the Hereafter, that is, the Floor of the Lord (Indallah) exists right now.The verses describing the present tense really describe the present tense.

There may be many reasons why hell has already been created.Currently, there are many non-living planets in our universe (besides many living planets...). But also, as I showed in my article, some people like Pharaoh may already be punished in hell.
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: jkhan on September 03, 2021, 06:42:55 AM


As simple as that... God will recreate everything again in better shape... That's his promos... And hell is not far for others to ask for some water...


The Universe of the Hereafter has already been created in the most beautiful way. It is as old as our universe. The re-creation mentioned in the verses is persons re-creation in this Hereafter Universe. Paradise and hell already exist.

Peace
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jkhan

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 03, 2021, 12:52:34 PM
The Universe of the Hereafter has already been created in the most beautiful way. It is as old as our universe. The re-creation mentioned in the verses is persons re-creation in this Hereafter Universe. Paradise and hell already exist.

Peace

Peace...

Probably Yes.. God has already created Janna and Jahanna... Even probably the Janna adam and rest lived is the same Janna which is the place of shelter for all believers...

But God didnt create everything in vain...  For me.. 400 times bigger sun than earth and 2000 times bigger than sun some stars...  It doesn't make sense... And this moving nonsensical approach of science never matches with Quran.. That's different topic.. For example 35:41 "Indeed, Allah holds/prevents the heavens/skies(samawathi) and the Earth, in case they(both) move. And if they(Earth and Heavens)  move, no one could hold/prevent them after Him. Indeed, He is Forbearing and Forgiving." .... How come one deny such verses of Quran and go for options of moving universes.. Lol.. Whatever..


Hell... Yeah no one can be in hell that's very obvious within Quran... It all will happen after judgement... But in Janna people do live... That's incontrovertible...

But verses like 21:104 ... It seems God promise to repeat like his first creation.. His first creation was Earth and heavens... Who knows may be He will create another adter everything is settled...

Yeah... Janna it's width is the width of Heavens and Earth... Whatever you understand about it.. I don't know... But God's verses are very literal... In 3:133  .. It says it is prepared (uiddath) .. So perhaps.. It is already there... If God says He has prepared in clear verses then it can be the truth.. I leave it to God to guide me and all...

Seven samawathi can never be 7 universe...  :rotfl:
When God said sama He means even the sky which brings water... Sama the birds fly.. Sama.. In the midst sun and moon float.. Sama in which all stars are placed.. Sama where we don't see but malaika live.. All these are not universe...
Width of Janna (Garden)  equal to seven universes (according to science) just needless.. And meaningless...
Decorations God says stars... But 2000 times bigger than earth to decorate Earth.. Sheer myth..  :rotfl:

May God guide the believers regarding His creations truth.. Especially Earth and heavens (skies)
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good logic

This is your assumption brother,quote:

"There may be many reasons why hell has already been created.Currently, there are many non-living planets in our universe (besides many living planets...). But also, as I showed in my article, some people like Pharaoh may already be punished in hell."

GOD has set up a resurrection /judgement day yet o come for all of us including Pharaoh.
Nowhere in Qoran does it say that anyone is in hell now, they are waiting  judgement. Nor  that hell has been created now.

Just state the verses  you have based your view on please   I do not find any on your article or Qoran.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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jkhan

Quote from: good logic on September 04, 2021, 03:43:59 AM
This is your assumption brother,quote:

"There may be many reasons why hell has already been created.Currently, there are many non-living planets in our universe (besides many living planets...). But also, as I showed in my article, some people like Pharaoh may already be punished in hell."

GOD has set up a resurrection /judgement day yet o come for all of us including Pharaoh.
Nowhere in Qoran does it say that anyone is in hell now, they are waiting  judgement. Nor  that hell has been created now.

Just state the verses  you have based your view on please   I do not find any on your article or Qoran.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace...

What about verses like 3:64 ...
There are so many verses using uiddath plus Jaheem... Does that mean God has prepared the blaze or  Jaheem...

But there is no doubt Quran never says that there is anyone in Jahanna.. Coz even King Pharaoh in the day of judgement he will lead his people to hell.. So it is literal verse.. No need to create ambiguity  in that...

But perhaps janna and Jahanna is around.... But flr me on this very earth...

Coz all what God created is Earth and heavens and whatever between both of them..

One should clearly perceive the glaring verses that says janna and Jahanna will last as long as the Earth and heavens  bear it 11:107... So.. These two profound verses indicate that Janna that believers gonna live and Jahanna that disbelievers or unfortunate ones gonna abide is on this very earth...
But we all know God has promised to put an end to how it looks on the day it all ends.. Even everything of heavens are subject to destruction... It seems recreation is mandatory...
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Emre_1974tr

Quote from: good logic on September 04, 2021, 03:43:59 AM
This is your assumption brother,quote:

"There may be many reasons why hell has already been created.Currently, there are many non-living planets in our universe (besides many living planets...). But also, as I showed in my article, some people like Pharaoh may already be punished in hell."

GOD has set up a resurrection /judgement day yet o come for all of us including Pharaoh.
Nowhere in Qoran does it say that anyone is in hell now, they are waiting  judgement. Nor  that hell has been created now.

Just state the verses  you have based your view on please   I do not find any on your article or Qoran.
GOD bless you.
Peace.


40:45-46  The English translation of the verses is problematic. In these verses, it is written that Pharaoh was presented to the fire day and night, but on the Day of Judgment, he will be presented to real torment.

I said that this verse might be a sign that Pharaoh is burning in hell right now. But I'm not claiming there's anyone in hell right definite now.

Peace
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