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Started by Emre_1974tr, July 13, 2021, 12:07:43 PM

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Abdun Nur

The event is hearsay, it has additionally been proven it was not the jews who built the pyramids, they were not slaves in Eygpt, and so the event is a xomplete fiction from start to finish.

Magic tricks do not prove a god entity, con men perform large scale magic tricks and fool their audience even today.


jkhan

Quote from: Abdun Nur on July 17, 2021, 10:13:40 PM
The event is hearsay, it has additionally been proven it was not the jews who built the pyramids, they were not slaves in Eygpt, and so the event is a xomplete fiction from start to finish.

Answer the question pls.... Don't divert and turn yourself strawman...


First of all I want to convince that even EVIDENCE is enough for you...
Mostly people who ask for evidence turns violent when the evidence are displayed infront...
Evidence doesn't make difference when it is evident to them... But they keep claim for evidence....

Would you still believe of the evidence is manifest to you that God does exist? 
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jkhan

Quote from: Abdun Nur on July 17, 2021, 10:13:40 PM


Magic tricks do not prove a god entity, con men perform large scale magic tricks and fool their audience even today.

Well well well... ...

So if you are someone who witness evidence and if you claim it is magic then what evidence you will believe in.... You are exposed... People specially believera are intelligent... You can't divert them...

Even you enter the janna and see everything and come back you would say.. Your eyes were dazzled.. Or you were tricked..
:rotfl:  Be happy with what you are... Evidence will soon touch you...
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Abdun Nur

Evidence is defined as something that gives proof or leads to a conclusion.

The events is not proven to have happened, and the archaeological evidence does not support the claims of the Moses story, additionally the performance of magic tricks, like David Copperfield is not proof, proof would be within the fabric of perceptual reality. This proof could only exist if the god entity actually existed, as it does not then the god entity does not exist.

jkhan

So O my dear believers...

This person was asking evidence from us being Human being for the existence  of God....
But he is ready to deny the evidence of God subjecting them as magic tricks...
So what evidence of human being he is gonna trust? Pls be wise my dear believers... SATAN comes in every form possible to him...   :whatever:
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Abdun Nur

The Ba'alist conditioned mind is quite a thing. The evidence does support something more interesting than the Ba'alist god idea, and it shows we are conditioned to think backwatds about reality by the Ba'alists, who presently confuse the minds of people in both camps the god worshipers and the athiests.

The multi-verse is the Ba'alist theory for the athiests which answers the question of precision of relaity, by saying an infinite number of universes exist so one is bound to be perfect, this is not proven in anyway either, both these ba'alist theories of a god or a multiverse are without evidence.

Instead of clinging to baseless fantasy, look with clear eyes at the evidence that "does" exist.

But as I say the stagnant mind cannot it seems, certainly when judged by the comments on this thread.

ade_cool

Salam all,

A good article from former atheist:
https://www.answeringislamicskeptics.com/the-atheists-burden-of-proof.html

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Most atheists endorse that "it is true that God does not exist". And they continue to state things like "there is no evidence that God exists".  If this is the case, why can't the theist reasonably argue that "there is no evidence for God's nonexistence"? The atheist fails to realize that they too must provide evidence for God's nonexistence if that is a claim that they make. They argue their claim is negative, and negative claims require no justification. This is an extremely inaccurate position.  Even within the peer-reviewed scientific literature, negative claims are studied, analyzed and evaluated. Several scientific studies reach negative conclusions and they justify such using evidence. Many scientific papers are published solely to provide evidence for a negative conclusion that is against previously held conclusions and theories. If an atheist argues that negative claims require no justification, then they are in disagreement with much of the peer-reviewed academic literature who all require evidence to substantiate negative conclusions.

So why do scientific papers defend negative claims and feel the need to present evidence to support their negative hypotheses or conclusions? It is because a negative claim is really an affirmative claim that asserts the nonexistence of something.  This positive-negative dichotomy when it comes to claims become meaningless. All claims are asserting something and thus require justification.

Given this, one can see that the theist can argue that "there is no evidence for God's nonexistence", and the atheist would need to provide evidence for God's nonexistence. The atheist can not reasonably argue, "It is not rational to believe that God does exist, because there is no evidence for God's existence". The theist could reply, "It is not rational to believe that God does not exist because there is no evidence for God's nonexistence". I encourage theists to reply in such a way.


[41:53] We will show them Our signs in the horizons, and within themselves, until it becomes clear to them that this is the truth.  Is it not enough that your Lord is witness over all things?

God has shown, is showing, and will continue to show His signs.


[2:164] Surely, in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the differences between the night and the day, and the ships that sail in  the sea for the benefit of the people, and what God has sent down  of water from the sky so He brings the earth back to life after it had  died, and He sent forth from it every creature, and the dispatching  of the winds and the clouds that have been commissioned between  the earth and the sky are signs for a people who comprehend.

So for those how are able to see His signs, good news for you ...you are people who comprehend!


Wassalam

good logic

Abdun Nur.
And you do not see stagnation here, quote:

"OK, what I'm saying is your false belief in a god entity gives you the cause of existence of you, the god entity, however it generates a new question, where did the god entity come from, effectively where you came from is a stagnant answer, even if the god entity existed, the question fundamentally remains, what caused existence, for you the god entity but what for the god entity?
This means it answers nothing."

If you reflect you will see that an  "Absolute origin"  is a must. Otherwise  nothing will ever exist.
So keep going back with your"What caused existence" and  you will see  that there is only one answer. An absolute original intelligence/maker/designer .
What you are asking with your repeated "cause" is the relative existence of existing creatures 

So what is the origin for you?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Abdun Nur

I'm just saying the same thing as you have cognative dissonance and cannot accept it, so little point continuing this, enjoy you Ba'alist beliefs, although there to your detriment, little can save you from yourselves, Peace.

It's a wonder to see the Ba'alist system of perceptual control, but the Ba'alist are presently working to strip away their support base, it will be interesting to see how the surviving populations beliefs alter after the cull, will they embrace Ba'alism futher or reject it?

Time will tell.

good logic

Abdun Nur.
So at least you realise there is a proper challenge for your stand too.
Like I said to you,why do you need evidence for GOD s existence if you really have evidence that GOD does not exist?

And if you had solid evidence that will be enough and you should not worry otherwise. Your evidence will do it for you .

Unless one does not trust their evidence or like all of us realises that GOD has deliberately left some things "open to interpretations"  for us humans like religion,way of life,submission and beliefs. His existence is also part of how we interpret the world around us.
Otherwise GOD and His angels would have been present among us and there is no need for choice and accountability.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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