Almost all pagans are pantheists

[Emre_1974tr]

Almost all pagans are pantheists.

Pagans who worship idols or humans are aware that the things they worship are not gods. But in their perverted pantheistic philosophy, they see what they worship as a reflection, a manifestation, a part of God. Thus, they fall into the trap of the devil. They think they are monotheists, but they are actually polytheists.

The fact that the pharaoh sees himself as a Lord is also the result of this pantheist philosophy. He thought of himself as the reflection, that is, the manifestation of God. Like all pantheists, he worshiped himself and the universe.

The Holy Qur'an clearly explains these facts. At the moment, the only real holy book we have is the Qur'an. On the other hand, the elites hiding the books like the Torah and gave the Fake Torah and false Bibles to the people(hadith books).

[Abdun Nur]

Peace,

pantheism is a belief the wrong way around, the universe is not the source of reality, nor is a god, both these beliefs are completely wrong, and absolutely no evidence supports these confusions.

The belief you are a god would again be a confusion, as no god can exist, although every soul is a fractal expression of the entirety of the single consciousness, neither the single consciousness repeating nor the expression of that fractal repetition are gods.

The Qur'an is a claim, it is not in any way evidence, nor can it be reference as if it were evidence, it could only be used as a reference to examine the shared perception we are living, in order to determine what reality truly is from the practical evidence of the shared perception, which is built upon repeating patterns, when these patterns are iidentified they repeat from the micro to the macro, and through these patterns reality can be examined and explained.

[Emre_1974tr]

1- After accepting that the Qur'an is the word of Allah based on the evidence, what the Qur'an says is also evidence.

2- We have not got souls: https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611412.0

[Abdun Nur]

No, the book is always a claim, if you have evidence of a god provide it, but even with evidence it remains a claim not evidence, which is the reason it states every verse must be proven before it is accepted.

The soul is anima, anima is the source of existence, empathic consciousness could be a synonym of soul, without empathy there is no soul, as we are a single fractal consciousness, hence the ability to enjoy a shared perception, this one on Earth or an infinity of others.

[Emre_1974tr]

No, you are wrong.

1- After accepting that the Qur'an is the word of Allah based on the evidence, what the Qur'an says is also evidence.

Because It is based on conclusive proof that it is the word of God and has been preserved to this day. and so All that the Qur'an says is based on evidence. Because God is infallible and God does not lie.

2- We have not got souls. We have got nafs/nefs.

[Abdun Nur]

After accepting the Qur'an, it is not evidence, you accepting something does not, to any other soul, make it evidence, I see reasoning is beyond you, peace.

[Emre_1974tr]

No, you are completely wrong.

You are not using your mind, you are mechanically repeating your dogma.

The Qur'an asks you to believe in true knowledge based entirely on proof. and forbids things that are not based on proof, that is, superstitions. Therefore, we are obliged to believe in the truth. And that is why we are obliged to stay away from superstitions.

The authenticity and preservation of the Qur'an is based on word-for-word proof. Therefore, all the information given by the Qur'an is based on proof. Because it is the word of God.

And we have not got souls.

[reel]

No, the book is always a claim, if you have evidence of a god provide it, but even with evidence it remains a claim not evidence, which is the reason it states every verse must be proven before it is accepted.

Try following the book. That's the way to evidence even for existence of God.

we are a single fractal consciousness

Reference? I'm just curious about things like that.

[Abdun Nur]

The evidence and reasoning of that evidence, of this shared reality, demonstrates the fractal structure, with a shared perceptual reality of a single consciousness:

https://earthcoinage.com/about-us/

Any book of religion is only a claim, it can be nothing else, it does not change if you believe it is more, it still remains a book of claims, which require proving before anyone, including anyone delusional enough to take a claim without determine it is true, as true.

[good logic]

Abdun Nur.

You say Qoran is words/claims  and your link is also words/claims. It is subject to people s scrutiny and understanding.
The difference I see is that yours is humanmade with clear evidence it is from you.
Who s words /claims are Qoran? What evidence do you have for it?

One puts the words into scrutiny to see if it is the truth or falsehood or put on hold if they do not know yet..
Would you say your evidence for your words is strong  and that of Qoran is not?  Then this also needs evidence.

This is what I am reading from this conversation/thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.