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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2021, 06:20:57 PM »
The invisible beings mentioned in the verses are also servants created by Allah out of nothing.
They are physically separate from God.

Specifically where is this border / limit that physically separated God from this "invisible beings"?

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God is outside of us. physically outside of all the universes he created. But of course, it has surrounded and surrounded its creations. And it is very close to us.

Since you said "God is outside of us"
Who and what are "us" in this case?

Let's take a human individual for example.
The border / limit that usually being regarded as a human individual is his/her physical body.
Thus there's an Inside the physical body and Outside the physical body.
Thanks to such definition of the border / limit, the "Inside" and "Outside" of a human can then be defined.

Thus God is outside of human physical body?
And since you said God is in the surrounding, you mean God still inside let's say the air?

This relate to the question which now I've asked 3 times already.
Where is the border? Limit?
That separated God with "Not God"?

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As a manager and observer, Allah is everywhere. In fact, since he is timeless, God is present at the points of the future, the past, and the present at the same time, as the ruler and observer. If we got into a time machine, we would see that Allah is present as an observer and administrator at the same time in every time zone we go to. But as I said, this management and observation work takes place physically from the outside.

If this Allah is everywhere and timeless, then this Allah has no border in both space dimension and time dimension. Or put it the other way around only something that has no border in both space and time dimension can be everywhere and timeless.

IF this is the definition of "Allah" then it fits well with the definition of The One Infinite Creator.

The One Infinite Creator has no border in any dimension, including THIS time and space.
Since all time and space itself was created by The One Infinite Creator.
And yes there are many time and space, how many? Infinite....

This automatically implies that it is not possible there are others Infinite Creator.
Given an infinity cannot have any border / limit, once it has border / limit then it will become something that is finite.

In time, once something has a beginning, then definitely it will have an end.
In space, once a border is being defined, only then inside and outside can be defined. Without such border, inside and outside cannot even be defined.

Since there are no other Infinite Creator.
Thus it's weird and confusing to say that one MUST NOT serve other Infinite Creator.
Since there are no other Infinite Creator other than The One that is Infinite.

In husband & wife metaphor that I mentioned earlier, the dialogue will be something like this.
Woman: You must not took another woman as your wife.
Man: You're the only woman that exist.. hellloooo??

As such the requirement of one MUST NOT serve other Infinite Creator is quite ridiculous since there isn't any other Infinite Creator in the first place. The act of serving the other Infinite Creator other than The One Infinite Creator is impossible to be performed.

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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2021, 11:28:51 PM »
"If this Allah is everywhere and timeless, then this Allah has no border in both space dimension and time dimension. Or put it the other way around only something that has no border in both space and time dimension can be everywhere and timeless."

What you say above Jafar does not mean this infinite creator is not a separate entity. Nor dies it mean that the creations are the infinite creator or parts of the creator..

Can dimensions superimpose one another?

Imagine GOD as a room - infinite room- that holds different furniture- dimensions that superimpose one another-. furniture is not the room nor the room is the furniture.

What s the problem with the Creator being unique and separate?
GOD bless you.
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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2021, 03:45:36 AM »
Allah is outside the universes He created and time. So it's outside the vacuum of space. Therefore, it does not travel in space, nor does it travel in time.

 But We are in time and space, and we travel in time and space.

For example, we are constantly traveling to the future time slowly.

As I said before, a multidimensional being can touch the internal organs of a three-dimensional being from the outside. In other words, Allah is physically outside the universes, but at the same time He is close to every particle, down to our jugular vein.

Apart from that, I always state that he is everywhere as a manager and observer. But He can be physically too, close to our jugular vein.

The number of universes created by Allah is finite. There is no such thing as an infinite number. But there is a number that keeps increasing endlessly. Our age will never be indefinite in Paradise, but our age will constantly increase forever.

It is by Allah's will that we(Paradise peoples) and the Universe of the Hereafter(Indallah/Lord's Floor) will live forever. As he says in the verses, he can do the opposite if he wishes, but as he promised, he chose to keep Paradise and its contents alive forever, and he will do so.

Since God is outside of time, what happens in the future for us is not the future for God. It has already happened. God does not travel in time. The life and existence of Allah is in a way that we cannot imagine.

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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2021, 04:47:58 AM »
Allah is outside the universes He created and time. So it's outside the vacuum of space. Therefore, it does not travel in space, nor does it travel in time.

 But We are in time and space, and we travel in time and space.

For example, we are constantly traveling to the future time slowly.

As I said before, a multidimensional being can touch the internal organs of a three-dimensional being from the outside. In other words, Allah is physically outside the universes, but at the same time He is close to every particle, down to our jugular vein.

Apart from that, I always state that he is everywhere as a manager and observer. But He can be physically too, close to our jugular vein.

The number of universes created by Allah is finite. There is no such thing as an infinite number. But there is a number that keeps increasing endlessly. Our age will never be indefinite in Paradise, but our age will constantly increase forever.

It is by Allah's will that we(Paradise peoples) and the Universe of the Hereafter(Indallah/Lord's Floor) will live forever. As he says in the verses, he can do the opposite if he wishes, but as he promised, he chose to keep Paradise and its contents alive forever, and he will do so.

Since God is outside of time, what happens in the future for us is not the future for God. It has already happened. God does not travel in time. The life and existence of Allah is in a way that we cannot imagine.

Peace my brother in belief....

Whatever the universe even it is many thousands of solar system and a galaxy and many galaxies are combined as universe and such seven universes is Samawathi in Arabic for you then..  God explains in verse number
 9:36 "Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens(samawathi) and the earth,
Explain pls the above with logic... Does universe has twelve months identical to earth? According to you it seems earth has one reckoning and universe has another and Allah has another.. But with Allah for earth and samawathi only 12 months.. If earth consider according sun 12 months then universe then samawathi also 12 months just according to sun.. No change in it..

By the way what's this You keep repeating Inda Allah as Allah's  floor...  Why?  Can you explain the word Inda Allah in the above verse please...


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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2021, 07:00:34 AM »
Peace my brother in belief....

Whatever the universe even it is many thousands of solar system and a galaxy and many galaxies are combined as universe and such seven universes is Samawathi in Arabic for you then..  God explains in verse number
 9:36 "Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens(samawathi) and the earth,
Explain pls the above with logic... Does universe has twelve months identical to earth? According to you it seems earth has one reckoning and universe has another and Allah has another.. But with Allah for earth and samawathi only 12 months.. If earth consider according sun 12 months then universe then samawathi also 12 months just according to sun.. No change in it..

By the way what's this You keep repeating Inda Allah as Allah's  floor...  Why?  Can you explain the word Inda Allah in the above verse please...

Peace brother;

God says that from the moment our planet was created, 12 months were ordained for us earthlings. Then he touches on the issue of haram months and similar details.

This is not a statement that covers the whole universe and other universes. This is how it is in explanations about going to the Kaaba or pilgrimage or prayer too.

However, 12 months may have been ordained in the same way in Paradise. A similar and synchronized system with our world may have been established.

I touch on the subject of Indallah in my article, let me give it with machine translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=https://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/zaman-zamanszlk-ve-rabbin-kat.html

Please pay attention to the following points;

1- The Universe of the Hereafter exists now and has different physical laws from our universe. And there are people living in that universe right now (I gave the relevant verses earlier).

2- The expanse of Paradise is said to be as great as the universes:

57:21 [Hence,] vie with one another in seeking to attain to your Sustainer's forgiveness, and [thus] to a paradise as vast as the heavens and the earth, which has been readied for those who have attained to faith in God and His Apostle: such is the bounty of God which He grants unto whomever He wills - for God is limitless in His great bounty.

3- It is said in the verses that the speed of time in the Hereafter Universe is different from that in our world (a thousand years have passed in our world versus one day spent there).

4- While other universes are destroyed by big crunch, the Hereafter Universe will live forever.(I gave the relevant verses earlier).

5- Other universes have planets too:

65.12 Allah is the one who created seven Heavens and from Earth like them (of corresponding type); [Allah's] command descends among them so that you may know that Allah is capable of anything and that Allah knows everything.

And they(other universes) have got creatures:

Quran 42:29“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases”





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Theism vs Panen-Theism Opposition Pair
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2021, 12:13:50 AM »
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Imagine GOD as a room - infinite room- that holds different furniture- dimensions that superimpose one another-. furniture is not the room nor the room is the furniture.


If INFINITE space is modeled as GOD
Then yes everything FINITE (Has border) such as furniture, room, window, doors is inside God.
Thus God is NOT 'separated' from any finite or bordered elements.
Since an INFINITE is merely a name for a definition of "Has no Border/Limit".

Thus the query of: is this furniture INFINITE? The answer is no, the furniture is FINITE, there is a limit, this is a furniture and that is NOT a furniture.
Also the query of is this room INFINITE? The answer is no, the room is FINITE, there is a limit, this is a room and that is NOT a room.
And so on for all things that is finite.

When a thing is FINITE / has border, then MANY-Ness is a possibility.
When a thing is INFINITE / no border, then only ONE is a possibility.

The thread starter is correct in terms of THEISM (FINITE THEOS) is nearly in direct opposition of PANEN-THEISM (AN INFINITE THEOS).

Multi Gods is possible in THEISM since God is Finite, While in PANEN-THEISM it's impossible.

Atheism is possible in THEISM since God is Finite, While in PANEN-THEISM it's impossible.
Those who cannot find the border / limit that define "God" and "Not God" will definitely say "God" do not exist, since actually the border / limit do not exist.

However it's true, that The One Infinite created many finite things.
And it's created with a pattern, everything have it's opposing pair.

Here we found THEISM vs PANEN-THEISM as opposing pair.

There are also:
Light vs Darkness
Hate vs Love
Fear vs Courage
Humility vs Pride
Forgiveness vs Revenge
Positive vs Negative
Matter vs Anti-Matter
and billions of other pairs...
The pattern can be shortened as IS vs IS-NOT.

Every finite things is created with it's opposing pair in order for the border thus differences can be recognized. Nonetheless both are originated from the same source, THE INFINITE, as there is no other source to begin with.

Thus any position that you took THEISM or PANEN-THEISM, Hatred or Love, Humility or Pride, you are serving the same One Infinite, given there is no other to serve in the first place.

Within PANEN-THEISM perspective, the motto of this forum; "God Alone", where God is understood as yet another name for The One Infinite is understood as:

"ONLY GOD THAT IS TRULY EXIST"

As everything else that has border / finite are merely temporary in existence.
Has a beginning (border) and definitely an end (another border).

In such viewpoint everything that is finite / has border are merely an illusion.
That is including you, me, us, them, this forum, any religion, any books, any nations, any planets, any stars, any galaxies and any universe.

From personal perspective, PANEN-THEISTS stop to seek the infinite externally from themselves and they start to seek a connection with the infinite within themselves.
As they see that The Infinite is inside me as well, every "me"..

You can see that they're trying to silence their own minds and seek to reduce their identity border that keep their identification separated from everything-else. The border that separated "me" with "you", "them". What they seek is a union with the infinite, and the only way to achieve that is when the their identification border no longer exist.

That's why THEIST aim for separation and in pairing opposition the PANEN-THEIST aim for unity, with the infinite.

Which one that you choose, it's up to you..
 

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: MonoTheism vs Panen-Theism
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2021, 01:51:10 AM »

If INFINITE space is modeled as GOD
Then yes everything FINITE (Has border) such as furniture, room, window, doors is inside God.
Thus God is NOT 'separated' from any finite or bordered elements.
Since an INFINITE is merely a name for a definition of "Has no Border/Limit".



No, on the contrary, in pantheism and panentheism, God is a limited being.

In monotheism, it is unlimited.

There is more than one god in pantheism and theism, and there is shirk.

In monotheism, God is one.

In pantheism and panantheism, a limited god cannot create anything. There is no existence other than God, and all that exists is illusion(acording to paganism).

In monotheism, on the other hand, God can create servants out of nothing. It is infinitely powerful. All his creations are separate from God, and therefore there is no holiness in the creatures.

Pantheism and panantheism are paganism.

Monotheism is the opposite of paganism.

All pagan teachings, from Hinduism to all other far eastern teachings, to ancient Arab teachings or to Indian(Native Americans) religions, are panentheistic or pantheistic.

The religion of Islam came to fight these pagan pantheist and panentheist teachings adoptively .

I still see that you don't understand the concept of infinity, what existence is, and you don't think about it enough, brother. Because your goal is to choose paganism/shirk.

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Re: The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2021, 04:43:23 AM »
Allah is the SUN
I am the SUNLIGHT

The sun alone is the true wujud



while the sunlight dwell in nonexistence

Yes, it's that simple.   >:D


Do you not see how your Lord stretches out shadows (God's names and attributes)? If He had wished He could have made them stationary. Then We appoint the sun to be the pointer/shadows to them. Then We draw them back to Ourselves in gradual steps. (25:45-46)

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Re: : MonoTheism vs Panen-Theism
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2021, 08:37:25 AM »
No, on the contrary, in pantheism and panentheism, God is a limited being.

In monotheism, it is unlimited.

There is more than one god in pantheism and theism, and there is shirk.

In monotheism, God is one.

In pantheism and panantheism, a limited god cannot create anything. There is no existence other than God, and all that exists is illusion(acording to paganism).

In monotheism, on the other hand, God can create servants out of nothing. It is infinitely powerful. All his creations are separate from God, and therefore there is no holiness in the creatures.

Pantheism and panantheism are paganism.

Monotheism is the opposite of paganism.

All pagan teachings, from Hinduism to all other far eastern teachings, to ancient Arab teachings or to Indian(Native Americans) religions, are panentheistic or pantheistic.

The religion of Islam came to fight these pagan pantheist and panentheist teachings.

I still see that you don't understand the concept of infinity, what existence is, and you don't think about it enough, brother. Because your goal is to choose paganism/shirk.

Greetings and love

When there was nothing, there was only God.

When you say this, you think that there is a space around God and if God is infinite, he must also cover that space. No, space is an entity. There is no blank, no black or any color. Nothing.

You perceive this  nothing as the vacuum of space. No, there is nothing. It is a 3-dimensional space called space. No nothing there. No space, no vacuum.

Nothing is not the vacuum of space. It is not dark or vacuum. No existence, no space, no color, no vacuum, nothing. You confuse non-existence with the void of space.

There is only God.

Suppose there is a person and nothing else. There is no space around it. There is no darkness either. There is only that person.

It doesn't stretch to infinity, there is only a normal size human body. and nothing more than that.

This was the situation before Allah created it. There was only Him. It doesn't have to be physical size forever. Because there is nothing but him. There is no empty space that it covers. There is no time and place.

At this point, Allah creates out of nothing. Allah does not physically cover everything. It just creates a being other than itself.

In pantheism and panentheism, that is, paganism, God cannot create. It just transforms itself, that is, evolves. It only derives God.(in paganism). And so the creatures created in paganism are also divine and they are worshiped by pagans. Because they think they are part of God.

But the reality is exactly the opposite. Almighty Allah has the power to create from nothing. Therefore, all his creations are separate entities from himself. There is no holiness in the creatures.