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The religion of the Illuminati is pagan pantheism/spiritualism/New Ageism

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Stay away from this teaching. By the way, the fake Bible is also a semi-New Ageism book too.
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Sufis, spiritual naturalists and Kabbalists are also pagan pantheists. . I have Turkish articles and videos on this topic.

Examples;

My Turkish articles with machine translation:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/11/kainat-veya-zihninizi-put-edinmeyin.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=tr&tl=en&u=http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/kuran-ve-nur.html


And ;

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nobody-has-got-ghost-according-to-quran.html

Abandon Pagan Naturalism/pantheism.

Stop worshiping yourself and the universe.

The universes that Allah created out of nothing are His servants, just like insects.

Worship only God.

Leave the shirk.

Do not fall into the trap of demons.
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Jafar

From the image below:


Which one is closer to your view?
Theism: A far away God totally separated from this universe ? (#separation)
Panentheism: A very close God where this universe is also part of Itself? (#unity)

It's entirely up to you.

As for me: my view is definitely closer to Panentheism.
With 'slight modification'... God is NOT the blue circle.
God is the white background.. as God is actually infinite and has no boundary / border on any dimension.


Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Jafar on September 08, 2021, 07:17:09 AM
From the image below:


Which one is closer to your view?
Theism: A far away God totally separated from this universe ? (#separation)
Panentheism: A very close God where this universe is also part of Itself? (#unity)

It's entirely up to you.

As for me: my view is definitely closer to Panentheism.
With 'slight modification'... God is NOT the blue circle.
God is the white background.. as God is actually infinite and has no boundary / border on any dimension.

No one can interfere with your pagan faith. But as soon as you try to instill this belief in the religion of Islam, I show you that it is wrong.

All pagans say this anyway. That's why the idols they worship are actually the Mother God in their eyes. The things they worship are a reflection of God, a part, a manifestation, a part of the whole..

Meanwhile, Allah is everywhere as a ruler and observer, but as an entity, He is completely outside of His creations. That's why shirk is the biggest sin.

No, if panentheism or pantheism were real, shirk would not be a sin. Paganism already has this philosophy.

But in reality, since Allah created us out of nothing, He has no partners or parts.

Therefore, he has no wife, no children. He gave birth to no one and was not born.

112:3 "Never did He beget, nor was He begotten,"

But if you are saying "God is the white background." You are not pantheist or panentheist.

Because in the white, God is completely outside of His creation. It is separate from them. Surrounding and being close to them does not mean integrating with them.
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Quote from: Green Anarchism on September 08, 2021, 01:17:22 PM
mmm... pagan? but naturalism? I don't get it... :rotfl:

and abandon the Sunnatullah (Law of Nature), you're truly deluded 



No, you are a lier pagan.

Sunnatullah is not law of Nature. This is your lie.

If you read before and after the relevant verse, it explains the method and reason of Allah's punishment. It is the religious law practiced by God.

The laws of nature are changeable. If Allah wills, He creates directly from the soil like Adam. That is, he creates without sexuality. He creates through sexuality and birth, if he wills.

If he wants, he creates the universe out of nothing/nothing. If he wants, he makes to derive it by using the materials that exist in this universe.

He creates one by one. If he wishes, he raises them together on the Day of Judgment.

What is called the law of nature is that God always does things in the same way. But he can do it in a different way if he wishes. And as you can see, it's variable.

After all, it is these changes that are called miracles. For example, creating Adam without parents. For example, creating Jesus without a father. These are miracles because they are outside the laws of nature. Likewise, the creation of the universe from nothing is a miracle. In fact, they are miracles for us. Because God creates creation outside the laws of physics. But what is called the laws of physics is also the application of Allah Himself. And through miracles it shows you that He can create differently if He wants. So in reality there is no fixed law of nature. As long as Allah creates it that way, it seems stable to us.

There are no fixed/fixed laws of nature that you pagans worship, in reality. God changes them whenever He wills. None of it happens spontaneously. they are all created by Allah Himself. If he wishes, he creates from nothing, if he wishes, he invents, if he wishes, he creates one by one, if he wishes, he creates collectively, if he wishes, he keeps it alive, if he wishes, he destroys it...
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Jafar

Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 08, 2021, 06:47:16 PM
Meanwhile, Allah is everywhere as a ruler and observer, but as an entity, He is completely outside of His creations.

This statement by itself is a contradiction.

Something is everywhere, which imply inside and that same something is also outside?

Where is the border that define "inside" and "outside"?




Quote
No one can interfere with your pagan faith. But as soon as you try to instill this belief in the religion of Islam, I show you that it is wrong.

All pagans say this anyway. That's why the idols they worship are actually the Mother God in their eyes. The things they worship are a reflection of God, a part, a manifestation, a part of the whole..

If pagans here means Arab Paganism then their view is actually THEISM.
The Gods are outside of this universe, they're living in "Realm of the Gods and Goddesses" above in heaven, in the sky looking down on the earthly realm.

And there are many Gods and Goddesses each fighting each others for influences.
Including influence over human on the earth realm below.

That's why each God claimed that he/she/it is the only true God and the other Gods and Goddesses are 'false' gods. Each God is envious of other Gods/Goddeses as it sees that the other Gods are his/her competitor.

The statement of there is no other God other than X, implies that those who make such statement does admit that there are many other God.
In the same manner as those who said here is no other Potato Chips other than Lays admit that there are many others Potato Chips which are not Lays.

QuoteBut in reality, since Allah created us out of nothing, He has no partners or parts.

The reason why the one infinite creator is only one, is because it is infinite.
It has no border in any dimension.
Thus there could only be one infinity that could possibly exist.

Since it has no border, then definitely this universe that contains trillion of galaxies are indeed inside of it. As this universe is finite and has border.
The one infinite creator cannot be 'separated' since infinite-ness mandate that it has no border  whatsoever and every-thing that is finite (has border) is inside of it.

As thus unity is the inherent nature of the one infinite creator.
Only the one infinite creator alone that actually eternally exist.

All other finite things are temporary, those who has a beginning will have an end.
And only those who has no beginning thus boundless / borderless in time dimension will not have an end.

Emre_1974tr

Quote from: Jafar on September 08, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
This statement by itself is a contradiction.

Something is everywhere, which imply inside and that same something is also outside?

Where is the border that define "inside" and "outside"?




If pagans here means Arab Paganism then their view is actually THEISM.
The Gods are outside of this universe, they're living in "Realm of the Gods and Goddesses" above in heaven, in the sky looking down on the earthly realm.

And there are many Gods and Goddesses each fighting each others for influences.
Including influence over human on the earth realm below.

That's why each God claimed that he/she/it is the only true God and the other Gods and Goddesses are 'false' gods. Each God is envious of other Gods/Goddeses as it sees that the other Gods are his/her competitor.

The statement of there is no other God other than X, implies that those who make such statement does admit that there are many other God.
In the same manner as those who said here is no other Potato Chips other than Lays admit that there are many others Potato Chips which are not Lays.

The reason why the one infinite creator is only one, is because it is infinite.
It has no border in any dimension.
Thus there could only be one infinity that could possibly exist.

Since it has no border, then definitely this universe that contains trillion of galaxies are indeed inside of it. As this universe is finite and has border.
The one infinite creator cannot be 'separated' since infinite-ness mandate that it has no border  whatsoever and every-thing that is finite (has border) is inside of it.

As thus unity is the inherent nature of the one infinite creator.
Only the one infinite creator alone that actually eternally exist.

All other finite things are temporary, those who has a beginning will have an end.
And only those who has no beginning thus boundless / borderless in time dimension will not have an end.


No, old Arabs see those gods as reflections, shadows, parts of one God. And they called the main God Allah.

Pagans have a panentheist or pantheistic philosophy.

Theism is the exact opposite of this teaching.

***

As a being, God is completely outside of what He created. That is, he is physically outside the universes.

But he is everywhere as a manager and observer. Observing something from the outside is not integrating with it. Managing something from the outside does not mean integrating with it.

Surrounding something or being very close does not mean integrating with it.

***

And finally, let's remind again;

Christians "3 in 1"

Hindus "333 in 1" and "all things in 1"

Pantheists "all things in 1"

New Agers "we are in 1"

These are paganism.
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Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 08, 2021, 07:08:30 PM
No, you are a lier pagan.

Sunnatullah is not law of Nature. This is your lie.

If you read before and after the relevant verse, it explains the method and reason of Allah's punishment. It is the religious law practiced by God.

The laws of nature are changeable. If Allah wills, He creates directly from the soil like Adam. That is, he creates without sexuality. He creates through sexuality and birth, if he wills.

If he wants, he creates the universe out of nothing/nothing. If he wants, he makes to derive it by using the materials that exist in this universe.

He creates one by one. If he wishes, he raises them together on the Day of Judgment.

What is called the law of nature is that God always does things in the same way. But he can do it in a different way if he wishes. And as you can see, it's variable.

After all, it is these changes that are called miracles. For example, creating Adam without parents. For example, creating Jesus without a father. These are miracles because they are outside the laws of nature. Likewise, the creation of the universe from nothing is a miracle. In fact, they are miracles for us. Because God creates creation outside the laws of physics. But what is called the laws of physics is also the application of Allah Himself. And through miracles it shows you that He can create differently if He wants. So in reality there is no fixed law of nature. As long as Allah creates it that way, it seems stable to us.

There are no fixed/fixed laws of nature that you pagans worship, in reality. God changes them whenever He wills. None of it happens spontaneously. they are all created by Allah Himself. If he wishes, he creates from nothing, if he wishes, he invents, if he wishes, he creates one by one, if he wishes, he creates collectively, if he wishes, he keeps it alive, if he wishes, he destroys it...

And;

11:107 Abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes. Your Lord does as He pleases.

11:108 As for those who are happy, they will be in the Paradise; abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes, a giving without end.

Almighty God is here telling us what he will do in the future.

And he says "I will never remove those in Paradise unless I wish otherwise"

And he promises he won't.

In other words, he says, "I can change my decision if I want, but those in Paradise will stay there forever because I have free willed them to stay."

In other words, this is not a natural law of physics, God says.

If Allah wills, he will act differently. There is no such thing as an immutable law of physics.

Pagans, on the other hand, worship the universe and the laws of physics and think they are immutable. That is why they do not believe in miracles, and many of them do not even accept that the universe will perish/doomsday.
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Quote from: Emre_1974tr on September 09, 2021, 05:36:09 AM
And;

11:107 Abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes. Your Lord does as He pleases.

11:108 As for those who are happy, they will be in the Paradise; abiding therein as long as the heavens and the earth exist, except for what your Lord wishes, a giving without end.

Almighty God is here telling us what he will do in the future.

And he says "I will never remove those in Paradise unless I wish otherwise"

And he promises he won't.

In other words, he says, "I can change my decision if I want, but those in Paradise will stay there forever because I have free willed them to stay."

In other words, this is not a natural law of physics, God says.

If Allah wills, he will act differently. There is no such thing as an immutable law of physics.

Pagans, on the other hand, worship the universe and the laws of physics and think they are immutable. That is why they do not believe in miracles, and many of them do not even accept that the universe will perish/doomsday.


And;

you are a lier pagan.

Sunnatullah is not law of Nature. This is your lie.

If you read before and after the relevant verse, it explains the method and reason of Allah's punishment. It is the religious law practiced by God.

3:137 Many nations have come before you, so roam the earth and see how the punishment was for the deniers.

17:77 Such was the way of those whom We had sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.

33:38 There is no blame on the prophet in doing anything that God has decreed upon him. Such was the way of God with the people of old. And the command of God is a determined duty.

35:43 Arrogance on the earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in the way of God, and you will not find any bypass to the way of God.

40:85 But their belief could not help them once they saw Our might; such is the way of God that has been established for His servants; and the rejecters were then totally in loss.

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