Report Hijab's Fake Video on Abu Layth Before More Damages

[Neptin]

I never understand why the" truth" should be defended?
Is the "truth" not something that should be clear ?
If one is defending" the truth"then by logic they must have some doubt about its clarity to others?
This is called "their truth" and cannot be the "the absolute truth".

Peace goodlogic.

The truth is often clear, but that is if and only if you have the full details concerning it. A lot of time people don't have the details, so they can't arrive at the truth.

In other words we are defending our own interest.
I do not know for sure about some people s intent but it is clear to me Hijab is defending "his truth" He sees it as something to be defended or at least he sees strongly that Abu Leyth s "truth"( or what he thinks it is Abu Leyth s) is something false.

It seem you don't understand what is happening. FYI, Hijab is pro-Palestine, and he was questioning the faith & authority of Abu Layth whom he thought was anti-Palestine. Then we got news of British Muslims who invaded Abu Layth's home & frightened his family.

Reel, like several others thinks, these Muslims acted under influence of Hijab's condemnation of Abu Layth. Hence reel thinks it appropriate that the public should report Hijab & YouTube should penalize him.

And I'm saying, No. Not only is Hijab innocent of instigating the attack, but reporting people to get them penalized or censored isn't the right thing. Even if they're spewing hate or false hood.

[Neptin]

Peace Neptin.

I really do not know what to say to you in regards to what you say here,quote:

"First, Israel isn't going to sue Hamas to court because Hamas have no obligation to present themselves before an Israeli court or any other court for that matter. Hamas also don't have the capacity to sue Israeli military.

You said;

Defending yourself or a court of law deciding with evidence are lawful.

I'm sorry, weren't you saying that Israel should defend itself with a court of law, rather than fire rockets that end up killing civilian Palestinians?

Next you said;

However defending yourself have to be appropriate and balanced. Punishment must fit the crime.
If those throwing  rockets are bombed along with hundreds of innocent ones living with and next to them, is this appropriate and just?

Hence I said;

Secondly, about appropriateness and balance in warfare. Here is the thing, if people are shooting rockets at you from an enclave close to civilian residential area, what do you do?
Plus, don't Hamas rockets target Israeli civilian areas?"

However what is wrong is wrong from any side. This fact does not change.
Then there is a real cause behind all wars.And of course wars have a starting point. The point is  who is to blame for starting the war ? Or,are both to blame ?  There is no other alternative.
Ponder this brother:" The one who hit me and stole my property started to cry first, , people were fooled and sided with his false complains".

OK. I wont further derail this thread. I'm going to create a thread to discuss my neutral position on Israel-Palestine conflict, why I think both Israelis & Palestinians have legitimate claims to the land, and the ignorance behind the pro-Palestinian mindset like in your case.

Peace.

[good logic]

Brother Neptin.

I have not seen evidence of guilt or innocence  for Hijab. The video in you tube can be misleading without further investigation.
Therefore the case remains not guilty until proven. However the case requires an investigation of the incident of aggression.  This s the right step to take.
And I also agree on freedom of speech for everyone.

This is different from what you say,quote:

"And I'm saying, No. Not only is Hijab innocent of instigating the attack, but reporting people to get them penalized or censored isn't the right thing. Even if they're spewing hate or false hood."

You must have evidence that Hijab has no blame if you are certain,?
I do not evidence either  either way, that is why I do not know. What I know for sure is that there is a case for investigation .

The case of Israel and Palestine, The side that is more unjust can be clearly seen everywhere you look and analyse the situation.
You are entitled to your neutrality.
I see more injustice towards Palestinians from Israel than the other way around.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[reel]

Reel, like several others thinks, these Muslims acted under influence of Hijab's condemnation of Abu Layth. Hence reel thinks it appropriate that the public should report Hijab & YouTube should penalize him.

No, I didn't think he instigated them. I simply fear reattack since the comment section is clear that Hijab's followers are not interested in finding out the truth.

And I'm saying, No. Not only is Hijab innocent of instigating the attack, but reporting people to get them penalized or censored isn't the right thing. Even if they're spewing hate or false hood.

This is not a case of free speech. I mean what Hijab says doesn't matter. The problem is the fabricated video that leads to a case of defamation according to Youtube:

Defamation laws vary by country but usually concern content that damages the reputation of another person or business. Although the definition of defamation varies around the world, in general, defamation is any untrue statement that is harmful to someone's reputation or causes someone to be shunned or avoided.

We take into account local legal considerations in our defamation blocking process, and in some cases, we require a court order. For us to be able to process a defamation blocking request, the claim needs to be specific and strongly supported. For example, it needs to explain why you believe the statements are untrue and how it damages your reputation.https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6154230?hl=en&ref_topic=6154211&co=GENIE.CountryCode%3DUnited+Kingdom

Its the era of far right groups. They use defamation to get their enemies attacked by others. Internet has just made that easier: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/7/17/in-india-whatsapp-stirs-up-deadly-rumours