Why you cannot doubt God's Existence

[nimnimak_11]

Peace all

The word "indubitably" means "without a doubt" or "undoubtedly".

The shape some four year old drew without a ruler, is imperfect as a triangle. Some would argue it's not even a triangle. Resembling a perfect triangle (an imperfect triangle) and being a true triangle (a perfect triangle) are two different truths.

A) Whatever's perfectly x, is indubitably x (an imperfect triangle's triangularity can either be rejected or doubted. A perfect triangle's cannot).

B) Whatever's perfectly existing, is indubitably existing (just as whatever's perfectly triangular, is indubitably triangular).

We know what it is for x to be perfectly triangular. What is it for x to be perfectly existing? To be, is to exist (to be a dream or an imaginary unicorn, is to exist as a dream or an imaginary unicorn. Denying this would be both logically and semantically inconsistent). Thus, to be imperfect, is to exist as an imperfect being/existent. An imperfect triangle exists imperfectly as a triangle and as an existent (better triangles and existents than it can be conceived of).

Nothing is better than a perfect triangle when triangularity is the reference or standard. When goodness is the reference or standard, nothing is better than God or a perfect existence (I do not want a pretend/imaginary god on my side because he cannot give me a perfect existence. Real good is better than pretend good and pretend evil/harm is better than real evil). When existing is the reference or standard, nothing is better than God. It is better to be God than to exist as just an illusion or image of God, or an imaginary god. We are aware that something perfectly/indubitably exists. God indubitably exists.

It is not us who truly/indubitably exist. Just to emphasise the significance of the above, having contradictory (semantically inconsistent) beliefs is wrong by definition/semantics. One cannot meaningfully/semantically doubt God's existence or goodness (just as one cannot meaningfully doubt a triangle's trianguarity).

[Abdun Nur]

That entire rant proves absolutely nothing, you have simply claimed your personal idea of a god is a perfect triangle, that is only an opinion, as you have not shown why your god demonstrates a perfect triangle metaphorical, to remove doubt you must provide evidence, proof of your "claim", you have only expressed a baseless claim, not evidence of any sort. I realise this upset people whose entire belief system is based purely on blind faith, but, blind faith has no value, especially if you claim to be a Muslim, as you are bound, if a Muslim, to only accept anything, "ANYTHING", once it's proven, even the "claims" of the Qur'an must be proven, it tells you this within the Qur'an.

[reel]

I have come to realize if people doubt the existence of God then it is not their fault.

It is just the societies that have forgotten how to reach/contact him. Plus I think people turning to atheism might simply be God's own decision to stop the corrupted men from using his name to practice oppression.

[Abdun Nur]

People can determine that a god is a nonsense created to allow a small group of ass holes to dominate the masses through a collective psychosis of separation, the hierarchical slavery model of a master and a slave (god in the sky and man on earth model).

if you have atrophy of the mind to the point you believe, "without any evidence" in a god entity, and then feel sorry for others that do not believe the same thing "without any evidence", the question is WHAT have you been smoking?

Stop smoking it and clear your mind.

[good logic]

God is the Designer and Craftsman of everything in the universe, and He created human beings a step above all the rest of the other creatures to live here on earth..

He is God. He is not limited by our understanding, nor by time, space, or matter. As the Creator, God is the all-wise originator and designer of all things: "How many are your works, LORD! In wisdom you made them all"

God has always existed. He was not created, for He has always been.

God is the one and only true Creator.
Satans -Humans and Jinns-  are only able to pervert what God creates.
They  are only able to create with things that have already been created.
All things find their origin in God
Because of this, everything ultimately belongs to God .
As humans, we are a creation of God and we belong to Him, too. Since He created us with free will, we may choose to have a relationship with Him or to reject Him.
Our choice will not be without consequences, whether good or bad. If we are wise, we will submit ourselves willingly to our Creator, for He is the only One who knows the intricacies of how we were made and what we strive to become.

Or who made all that you see? Which "god" other than the one/origin Unique...GOD?
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Wakas]

I like this approach:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Does_God_Exist_home.htm

[good logic]

Peace Wakas..
I looked at your link. In principle I get what you are trying to say,however this statement is not correct,quote:

"First of all, to understand the discussion, you must have some basic knowledge of Islam, which I will provide below. The religion of Islam, is based upon its holy book – The Quran, which is written in Arabic (the chosen language of revelation). In much the same way as Christianity is based upon The Bible, and Judaism is based upon The Torah (Old Testament)."

Qoran clearly states that "Islam" existed before all the holy books that you talked about arrived. i.e before Judaism,Christianity or Qoran.
So the basis of Islam existed at least since Noah.
Qoran clearly states that Noah, Abraham and some of the generations  after them before Qoran  had Islam as their  Deen.

Or at least one needs to define and clarify which "Islam" the statement is implying?
GOD bless you.
Peace.