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Sarah

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Are most people good
« on: April 19, 2021, 01:39:20 AM »
Peace

So according to the Qur'an:

Sahih International: 'And most of the people, although you strive [for it], are not believers.' 12:103

'Indeed the Word (of punishment) has proved true against most of them, so they will not believe.' 36:7


So God's definition of goodness means following all the rules of the Qur'an especially not committing shirk. However, people's definition of goodness is when you're good to others, do good things but you don't have to believe. If you look at society, most people are not criminals. Most people seem polite for example if you accidentally walk into another pedestrian, they will say sorry (at least where I'm from). On the other hand, when you interact closely, most people seem to value people based on worldly qualities therefore racism, classism, lookism, social status come into play. Kindness and morality is also valued but it's not valued much or as much if you don't also have worldly qualities from my own observations. Social hierarchy is not truly based on goodness but on who has the most social status in terms of their job, looks, wealth is seen as the most respected. Celebrities are VIPs/ very important. So respect and importance is not based on piety, it's based on superficiality. Society preaches respect for all but is it really living up to it?


Do you think most people are good?

'These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)'

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Re: Are most people good
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2021, 07:02:20 AM »
Do you think most people are good?

peace Sarah,

12:103 and 36:7 pertain to time of revelation and believers are independent of good doers which most people are اثىم sinners, الخاىنىن the betrayers, الظلمىن the wrongdoers, الفرحىن the jubilant, الكفرىن the rejecters, المستكبرىن those arrogant being, المسرفىن those extravagant ones, المعتدىن the transgressors, المفسدىن those who corrupt they, خوان treacherous, فخور boastful, كفار ungrateful, مختال self-conceited and likewise from personal experience the majority are prejudiced bigots, selfish, tribal, nationalists, who believe in all sorts of bad isms and don't care what happens to others, e.g., shootings, war, viruses, disasters, disease; only care about themselves or their family members, polluters evident with all the plastic and garbage in the world, superstitions, envious who idolize others especially fame, wealth, etc.

1.   2:195 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المحسنىن the good doers
2.   2:222 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved التوبىن the frequent being
3.   2:222 ... وىحب and loved المتطهرىن those who are pure being
4.   3:31 … ىحببكم loved you الله the god وىغفر and forgived لكم for you ذنوبكم sins yours …
5.   3:76 .... فان so indeed الله the god ىحب loved المتقىن the righteous
6.   3:134 ... والله and the god ىحب loved المحسنىن the good doers
7.   3:146 ... والله and the god ىحب loved الصبرىن the patient ones
8.   3:148 ... والله and the god ىحب loved المحسنىن the good doers
9.   3:159 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المتوكلىن the ones who put trust
10.   5:13 .... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المحسنىن the good doers
11.   5:42 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المقسطىن those who are just
12.   5:54 … فسوف so soon ىاتى bringeth الله the god بقوم with folk ىحبهم loved them …
13.   5:93 ... والله and the god ىحب loved المحسنىن the good doers
14.   9:4 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المتقىن the righteous
15.   9:7 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المتقىن the righteous
16.   9:108 ... والله and the god ىحب loved المطهرىن the ones who purify
17.   49:9 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المقسطىن those who are just
18.   60:8 ... ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved المقسطىن those who are just 
19.   61:4 ان indeed الله the god ىحب loved الذىن the ones ىقتلون fighting فى in سبىله pathway his صفا row of كانهم like they بنىان structure مرصوص joined firmly

1.   2:190 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved المعتدىن the transgressors
2.   2:205 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved الفساد the corruption
3.   2:276 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved كل every كفار ungrateful اثىم sinner
4.   3:32 ... فان so indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved الكفرىن the rejecters
5.   3:57 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved الظلمىن the wrongdoers
6.   3:140 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved الظلمىن the wrongdoers
7.   4:36 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved من who كان be مختالا self-conceited of
8.    فخورا boastful of 
9.   4:107 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved من who كان be خوانا treacherous of اثىما sinner of
10.   4:148 لا not ىحب loved الله the god الجهر the public/open بالسو in the evil من of القول the speech الا except من from ظلم wrong وكان and be الله the god سمىعا hearer of علىما knower of
11.   5:64 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved المفسدىن those who corrupt they
12.   5:87 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved المعتدىن the transgressors
13.   6:141 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved المسرفىن those extravagant ones
14.   7:31 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved المسرفىن those extravagant ones
15.   7:55 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved المعتدىن the transgressors
16.   8:58 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved الخاىنىن the betrayers
17.   16:23 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved المستكبرىن those arrogant being
18.   22:38 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved كل every خوان treacherous كفور ungrateful
19.   28:76 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved الفرحىن the jubilant
20.   28:77 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved المفسدىن those who corrupt they
21.   30:45 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved الكفرىن the rejecters
22.   31:18 ... ان indeed الله the god لا not ىحب loved كل every مختال self-conceited فخور boastful
23.   42:40 ... انه indeed he لا not ىحب loved الظلمىن the wrongdoers
24.   57:23 ... والله and the god لا not ىحب loved كل every مختال self-conceited فخور boastful


31:1 الم alif lam meem (together with next verse old manuscripts)
31:2 تلك those اىت signs الكتب the book الحكىم the wise
31:3 هدى guidance ورحمه and mercy للمحسنىن to the good doers
31:4 الذىن the ones ىقىمون upholding الصلوه the connection (with wa old manuscripts) وىوتون and giving الزكوه the recompense its (with wa old manuscripts) وهم and they بالاخره in the afterlife its هم themselves ىوقنون assured being
31:5 اولىك those على on هدى guidance من from ربهم lord theirs واولىك and those هم themselves المفلحون the succeeding



https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/31/vers/1/handschrift/601



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Re: Are most people good
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2021, 09:24:28 AM »

Do you think most people are good?

Salaam,
maybe yes, but I think God is looking for the best, not just good in average.

67:2   The One who has created death and life, that He may test you, which of you is best in deed? He is the Noble, the Forgiving.

The Quran teaches high standards of good deeds, especially when dealing with money, commitment (salat), and justice. It easy to say sorry when dealing with pedestrian or hold the door for the others (since it costs you nothing), but money will reveal who people really are.

It's not easy for me to convince people to give the charity to the poor or orphans about twenty percent of their monthly income consistently through the year.

In the place where I live, the people who said that they are really hate corruption by government officials are also the people who manipulate their tax payments, or don't pay taxes at all. They failed in their commitment (Salat) to uphold their agreement between citizens to serve the country, to be equal and justice for all. But still, they seem like decent, polite people.

We are taught not only to do good, but also to prevent evil.

Peace


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Re: Are most people good
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2021, 11:33:52 PM »
Peace

So according to the Qur'an:

Sahih International: 'And most of the people, although you strive [for it], are not believers.' 12:103

'Indeed the Word (of punishment) has proved true against most of them, so they will not believe.' 36:7


So God's definition of goodness means following all the rules of the Qur'an especially not committing shirk. However, people's definition of goodness is when you're good to others, do good things but you don't have to believe. If you look at society, most people are not criminals. Most people seem polite for example if you accidentally walk into another pedestrian, they will say sorry (at least where I'm from). On the other hand, when you interact closely, most people seem to value people based on worldly qualities therefore racism, classism, lookism, social status come into play. Kindness and morality is also valued but it's not valued much or as much if you don't also have worldly qualities from my own observations. Social hierarchy is not truly based on goodness but on who has the most social status in terms of their job, looks, wealth is seen as the most respected. Celebrities are VIPs/ very important. So respect and importance is not based on piety, it's based on superficiality. Society preaches respect for all but is it really living up to it?


Do you think most people are good?

Definition of Good cannot be contradictory to God and Human in my understanding… If something is good only that can go in line with the word good.
For example,,, .. even The Creator orders / advises to perform charity or not, people do perform charity and their intent of charity they only know.. Everyone (good people and bad people) do understand that giving charity is really good ethic…

So good person as well as bad person may do charity… Does that make the bad person a good person in all his action? Believer may do charity so does a disbeliever… Both did the same act which is good..

Don’t complicate Good Act/Deed with Good Person? These two are different …
Also Don’t complicate Good Person with a Believing Good Person….

Good can never ever be bad even it is done by a believer or disbeliever…the word definition itself proves good is good..
But is this Good is enough to the final goal?
As I always believe … NO.. Never… Purpose of life can be of various type for people.. Some may live good to themselves and to others and no harm done… but never beyond that… Creator is Zero in his life..
But he was doing all good and a good person.. some may be bad person mostly but somehow believed in God when it matters… trust me there such people as well..

So, Sarah… as you and me and everyone knows you may find normally in human nature good qualities like you say… if I add one… I saw a woman was almost sinking in a river and a person suddenly jumped and swam but he was missing after two three minutes and only found his dead body…
So in peoples’ view point he was good coz he was so selfless for someone of nothing to him.. but he wanted to save the woman… isn’t it a good thing.. of course it is… Does that mean he was a good person? That cannot be concluded… Probably he could have been.. Does that mean he was a believer and deserved to janna…
There comes the difference…
Prophet Ibrahim’s father I don’t see anything wrong mentioned by God about him except being a disbeliever…

So… there are good qualities of human nature in most of the people and most are trying be good and helpful except few .. not everyone on earth is barbarous and evil.. are they?… it means most on earth follow the system which doesn’t harm one another…
But most on earth doesn’t believe in God as it deserves..

To answer your straight forward question… ‘Are most people good?’ YES..

If a mother give birth to a child and look after the child upto 2 years with hardship and from there up until he completes his education? Isn’t the mother good in the eyes of the Child? Was she a good mother… so people are normally behaving with human nature and that is good… who can say it is wrong.. In God’s view also that is good..
Then what happens if such a good person die and happen to go for Hell?... Failed to grasp the purpose of life … loved the present life and lived what it takes… no harm done as well.. Who can say what’s wrong in living a good life independently and not harming others..

So dear… Bad is no way accepted.. but mere good not enough…it doesn’t mean to be excellent … NO.. it is duty of every human being to self approach and find purpose of life and why we live here… The way God created every human being we are not in a position to deny Him and live in our own way though good or bad…. That’s why Creator keep on sending Reminders to every nation just to remind that He does exist…


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Re: Are most people good
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2021, 01:25:05 AM »
Jesus did not like being called "good"..He  emphasised that only GOD is good.

We can only aspire to try to do good,behave good...etc. We are learning and using our trial to "get to know how to be "good" ,if we choose  that path.
We need to acquire the  "GOD conscious" trait and start on the straight path  and seek all the help we need from GOD to grow on the journey to be "good". We can never attain the perfection of being "good" all around in all fields.

Also without believing in accountability and a final judgement by GOD ,we simply can never go on the journey of correction and learning how to be good using GOD s message and instructions.
 Our definition of good and perception of good are lacking because our knowledge is limited.
But one can try their best.
GOD bless you.
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Re: Are most people good
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2021, 01:47:34 AM »
Salam!
Most human beings are EVIL by nature because Allah created us this way.

وَآتَاكُم مِّن كُلِّ مَا سَأَلْتُمُوهُ ۚ وَإِن تَعُدُّوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ لَا تُحْصُوهَا ۗ إِنَّ الْإِنسَانَ لَظَلُومٌ كَفَّارٌ

إِنَّا عَرَضْنَا الْأَمَانَةَ عَلَى السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَالْجِبَالِ فَأَبَيْنَ أَن يَحْمِلْنَهَا وَأَشْفَقْنَ مِنْهَا وَحَمَلَهَا الْإِنسَانُ ۖ إِنَّهُ كَانَ ظَلُومًا جَهُولًا

خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ فَإِذَا هُوَ خَصِيمٌ مُّبِينٌ

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الْإِنسَانُ أَنَّا خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ فَإِذَا هُوَ خَصِيمٌ مُّبِينٌ

وَيَدْعُ الْإِنسَانُ بِالشَّرِّ دُعَاءَهُ بِالْخَيْرِ ۖ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ عَجُولًا

وَلَئِنْ أَذَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ مِنَّا رَحْمَةً ثُمَّ نَزَعْنَاهَا مِنْهُ إِنَّهُ لَيَئُوسٌ كَفُورٌ

وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الضُّرُّ فِي الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلَّا إِيَّاهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاكُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ ۚ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ كَفُورًا

وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِي هَٰذَا الْقُرْآنِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍ ۚ وَكَانَ الْإِنسَانُ أَكْثَرَ شَيْءٍ جَدَلًا

There are many ayahs describing the inner nature of human beings, that is, الانسان but most people deny it.

Only a few chosen people are among مخلصین.

Peace!