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"Transforming/changing the creation of Allah"

Started by Fadiva, February 27, 2021, 06:52:22 AM

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Fadiva

Peace everybody,

I don't understand those who ask (asked here) for example "is sterilizing an animal transforming the creation of Allah" Which would be haram.
There are those who says plucking eyebrows is changing/transforming the creation of Allah" and when I say plucking or shaving the pubis is the same if I think the same way. I have as an answer like: "no it is different"    How?
And what about circumcision?
What about cutting tree to make furniture?
And what about all the thing used to build something?

Does the phrase "transforming the creation of Allah" include a list of things one can't "transform" ?

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Quote from: Fadiva on February 27, 2021, 06:52:22 AM
Peace everybody,

I don't understand those who ask (asked here) for example "is sterilizing an animal transforming the creation of Allah" Which would be haram.
There are those who says plucking eyebrows is changing/transforming the creation of Allah" and when I say plucking or shaving the pubis is the same if I think the same way. I have as an answer like: "no it is different"    How?
And what about circumcision?
What about cutting tree to make furniture?
And what about all the thing used to build something?

Does the phrase "transforming the creation of Allah" include a list of things one can't "transform" ?

Peace be upon you!

You have introduced a comprehensive subject here. In my opinion, nothing and no one can alter the plans of our Lord. God designed the world with precise measurements, so is our souls, the future and the whole timeline from the beginning. All our human developments were predestined and planned carefully by God. Our souls are attached to the body that suits it the best. Depending on what God wants us to endure or experience in our life, He carefully assigns the souls to the appropriate body. Indeed, sinning is possible, and there can be various ways of doing that - but only with God's will! Therefore, I am a little bit sceptical when it comes to "transforming the creation of God".


* NOTICE! I have replied to this topic to the best of my awareness without quoting verses from the Holy Quran. Thus, you are obliged to take this response with a grain of salt. The knowledge rests with God only!
Peace,
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Fadiva

Peace,

Of course one has to show verses.
I just don't understand the logic (for instance) of one saying plucking eyebrows like just a little hair is changing the creation of Allah while shaving the whole pubis is not.

reel

We went over the verse in question here. It is really the satan talking about changing creation of Allah via his fake religions.

Quote from: Fadiva on March 05, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
Peace,

Of course one has to show verses.
I just don't understand the logic (for instance) of one saying plucking eyebrows like just a little hair is changing the creation of Allah while shaving the whole pubis is not.

Yeah, that's what they say in sunnism. The motto is: Just do it. Don't question. Don't use your brain and heart.
"I fear that nothing will lead me to hell more than ḥadīth"-Hadith collector: Shu'ba Ibn al-Ḥajjāj

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Quote from: Fadiva on March 05, 2021, 09:09:38 AM
Peace,

Of course one has to show verses.
I just don't understand the logic (for instance) of one saying plucking eyebrows like just a little hair is changing the creation of Allah while shaving the whole pubis is not.

Peace be upon you!

I found an interesting article that researches your topic. The article quotes verses from the Quran only.

Link: https://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_6/changing_godand039s_creation_(P1553).html
Peace,
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Quote from: reel on March 05, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
We went over the verse in question here. It is really the satan talking about changing creation of Allah via his fake religions.

Yeah, that's what they say in sunnism. The motto is: Just do it. Don't question. Don't use your brain and heart.

Peace be upon you!

With all due respect,

the reply I forwarded to sister Fadiva;  I based it upon my own opinion. I did not state that my response was divine knowledge. I also had a warning included. Had I researched the matter, I would have included verses from the Holy Quran alone, and it would not be as informal. Without a doubt, one should always research, reflect and trust in God before an opinion is formed.
Peace,
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Fadiva

Quote from: 19_submission on March 08, 2021, 11:45:25 AM
Peace be upon you!

With all due respect,

the reply I forwarded to sister Fadiva;  I based it upon my own opinion. I did not state that my response was divine knowledge. I also had a warning included. Had I researched the matter, I would have included verses from the Holy Quran alone, and it would not be as informal. Without a doubt, one should always research, reflect and trust in God before an opinion is formed.


Salam,

Yes, of course it's well understood. Don't worry.
May Allah guide us.