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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2020, 10:05:45 AM »
Salam!
Good article but the case is that AQ is not 100% contradiction free.
When you read  اختلافا کثیرا. Note that katheera is opposite of قلیلا. it means that there are/maybe a few possible contradictions/differences in it. However, it is 100% based on "The Truth"
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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2020, 11:24:53 AM »
Good article but the case is that AQ is not 100% contradiction free.
When you read  اختلافا کثیرا. Note that katheera is opposite of قلیلا. it means that there are/maybe a few possible contradictions/differences in it. However, it is 100% based on "The Truth"

peace,

contradiction has 3 facts/variations

A ≠ (contradicts) B
B ≠ (contradicts) A
A and B contradict each other

4:82 افلا do so not يتدبرون they reflecting القران the Qur’an ولو and in case كان be/was من from عند near/with غير other than الله the god لوجدوا surely found they of فيه in it اختلفا ikhtilafan/divergences of كثيرا kathiran/much of

even another occurrence of اختلفا ikhtilafan (with trailing alif) in Qur’an would contradict above verse.

Btw, the inheritance section on that site has numerous contradictions, misinterpreted words, etc.

https://thereisnocontradictioninquran.com/distributing-the-inheritance-to-the-remaining-persons-in-a-fair-manner-in-the-quran/

فوق اثنتين – means above two (3+) not two or more

4:11 … فان so if كن are نسا womenfolk فوق fawqa/over اثنتين ithnatayni/two (3+)

كلله kalala (4:12/4:176) – does not mean fatherless since parents inherit with siblings …

4:11 فان so if لم not يكن beeth له for him (said person) ولد offspring وورثه and inherit him ابواه parents dual his فلامه so to mother his الثلث the third (1/3) فان so if كان be له for him اخوه siblings (i.e. kalala case) فلامه so to mother his السدس the sixth (1/6)

see summary thread:

peace huruf et al see update with slightly better format.

https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

good logic

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 01:10:35 PM »
Peace All.

Where does the verse 4:82 say that Qoran has or has not got contradictions?

All the verse is saying is that if Qoran was authored/came from a different source than GOD there would have been a lot of contradictory information speech and nonsense in it because of the lack of perfect knowledge. Only GOD can come up with perfect information/laws/advice...etc.

What it is also telling us for sure is to study/ponder Qoran and see for ourselves .And it turns out that the contents of Qoran cannot and will not be able to come from GOD s creation. Impossible.

So how can one find this out?  Is Qoran from GOD?

Is there nonsense and contradictory information in it? 

Apparently some people say yes and others say no. What do you say? Or do you take other people s word for it?

Of course if scripture comes fem GOD  it should be perfectly true  in every field and subject. One expects perfection from the perfect GOD.

Qoran does not need to say it has or has not got nonsense, it is for us to check.
Qoran is asking us to do that by saying "it comes from the Lord of the universe".
GOD bless.
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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2020, 04:26:32 PM »
Read my Turkish article. There is never a contradiction.

Each of the inheritance verses Nisa 11, 12, and 176 actually offers separate formulas for individual cases. In fact, each sentence in these verses mentions a different situation and formula within itself.

Whoever is mentioned in the sentence means only they are the heirs.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2014/08/miras-ayetlerinin-cozumu.html

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2020, 04:52:33 PM »
Read my Turkish article. There is never a contradiction.

Each of the inheritance verses Nisa 11, 12, and 176 actually offers separate formulas for individual cases. In fact, each sentence in these verses mentions a different situation and formula within itself.

Whoever is mentioned in the sentence means only they are the heirs.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2014/08/miras-ayetlerinin-cozumu.html

and;

In verse 11, when the deceased has no spouse, verse 12 has spouse, verse 176 describes how to share when there are only brothers/sisters.

Read my Turkish article please.

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2020, 11:36:03 PM »
In verse 11, when the deceased has no spouse, verse 12 has spouse, verse 176 describes how to share when there are only brothers/sisters.

Read my Turkish article please.

peace and merhaba, all verses are taken together, cross-referenced, etc.

likewise, allocate accordingly – spouse and parents?

4:11 فان so if لم not يكن beeth له for him (said person male/female) ولد offspring
 وورثه and inherit him ابواه parents dual his فلامه so to mother his الثلث the third
 فان so if كان be له for him اخوه ikhwatun/siblings (3+ at least 1 male) فلامه so to mother his السدس the sixth

note difference else don’t know amounts to give, who to payoff first.
(to husband) ما
(to wife) مما mimmā

4:12 ولكم and for you نصف half ما /what ترك left ازوجكم spouses yours ان if لم not يكن beeth لهن for them ولد offspring
4:12 ولهن and for them الربع the fourth مما mimmā/from what تركتم left you ان if لم not يكن beeth لكم for you ولد offspring


4:176 mixed gender siblings (kalala case) may include parents (4:11)

likewise, 1 daughter 1 son
cannot use 4:11 للذكر to the male مثل similitude حظ apportion الانثيين the two (f)
(two females need to be present!)

4:11 وان and if كانت be she وحده one (daughter) فلها so for her النصف the half

1/2 daughter 1/2 son

read paper, examples, meaning of kalala (not fatherless), etc.

https://www.academia.edu/39919602/Quran_Inheritance

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 01:14:51 AM »
Salam,

There is a priority inversion between legs/waṣyya and inheritance/warth : Contrary to popular belief, the Qur'an has not indicated a single modality concerning the notion of transmission of post-mortem property, but two: The testamentary legacy/al-waṣyya and inheritance/al-warth.
And, of these two Quranic measures, the testamentary legacy or waṣyya is the main one and inheritance or warth is secondary, whereas Islam has reversed this order of priority.

- The testamentary legacy/al–waṣyya => [2:180]
- Priority = > [4:11-14] :
(1) debt
(2) testamentary legacy / al-waṣyya
(3) Inheritance in shares of the remainder / al-warth

Thus the Qur'an conceives testamentary legacy/al-waṣyya as the general measure and inheritance by shares/al-warth as only a secondary measure concerning the residue not bequeathed by will, i.e. a special residual case. However, Islam, on the other hand, has generalized the practice of quota/al-warth inheritance by giving it priority over testamentary legacy/al-waṣyya which it has particularized and reduced to a minimum.

al-warth => One should not generalize about particular cases - at best draw inspiration from them.

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 03:16:22 AM »

Read my Turkish article. There is never a contradiction.

Each of the inheritance verses Nisa 11, 12, and 176 actually offers separate formulas for individual cases. In fact, each sentence in these verses mentions a different situation and formula within itself.

Whoever is mentioned in the sentence means only they are the heirs.

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2014/08/miras-ayetlerinin-cozumu.html

In verse 11, when the deceased has no spouse, verse 12 has spouse, verse 176 describes how to share when there are only brothers/sisters.

Read my Turkish article please.

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Re: There is no contradiction in Quran
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 04:17:21 AM »
Salam!

Dear brother Noon! Isn't there a difference in reading of ابواہ and ابویہ in 4:11?

Peace!