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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2020, 05:28:16 AM »
Salam!
Yes, I do have an answer and you know that also but you have an opposite point of view and you want to be stuck what suits your desires.
Peace!

Peace...
What you think.. Am I a super human to know what your answer is...  You raised the question when did Amana was accepted... How do I know what your answer is... I replied with what I understood within Quran... Do you want me to go in your line of thought..
Where have you written your answer for me to know...
So strange...

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2020, 05:37:56 AM »
Salam!.
This does make a difference. It would set the meaning of کان.
Adam کان became ظلوما کفورا once he accepted Amanah?
OR
Adam was already ظلوما کفورا at the time of accepting Amanah.
Hope I made my question easier.
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This is getting bizarre... I feel like I am teaching to a kid... Why you put the blame to Adam for amanah...
Of course Adam the first human and he was the one who wronged after God clearly warned him not to near the tree.. That's true.. And that's what I am saying ans repeating with much patience with not coz of you but for silent readers..

Try to understand first what amanah is... Who told you that Adam all alone accepted Amanath...  All of us accepted amanah... And accepting amanah  not wrong at all... What's wrong in it to become disbeliever.. Just read Quran properly... When we don't keep our promise after accepting the trust of God is wrong.. Betrayed the trust of God.. But not all... You don't expect to deny the trust of God by only one mistake... But life time denial without reforming..

Do you have any idea what Amanath  is... Let me know that first...

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2020, 08:15:04 AM »
Salam jkhan!

Let me tell you the truth!
I do not know what amanat is because i don't have it. Never took it from God. God never told me that He has any kind of trust in me or He is gonna give me something like amanat.

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2020, 05:21:07 PM »
Salam jkhan!

Let me tell you the truth!
I do not know what amanat is because i don't have it. Never took it from God. God never told me that He has any kind of trust in me or He is gonna give me something like amanat.

Peace!

I feel so sorry for you.. I wish God expose all the truth in Quran to you and make your firm...

I don't mind if you had said I can't remember...
Look bro.. Accept what God claims.. Did you say to the question from God "Am I not your Lord?  Yes we did say... Yeah we may not remember... But God reminds... And you will remember on the day of ressurection very well..
When they were asked how long you stayed on the... Hmm half day or day... That's how we forget what we did what we promised.. Do you remember anything what you did when you were infant... But when your parents reminds.. You shouldn't distrust them... That's why God has taken the responsibility of guidance.. But who deserves God knows... I am tired of this topic now...
Coz.. In one of the earlier threads,  when said sun and moon will be joined so human cannot destroy the moon coz it will be till day of judgement... So funny you started saying sun moon will not join.... Take whatever meaning. .but point is will. The moon remain till the day of ressurection.... I didn't ask the meaning of jaami... Take the right path,  so easy to debate...

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2020, 07:51:50 PM »
Salam brother!
The tedtimony of sons of Adam is another thing whether I remember or not. It is only a reminder: 'Am I not your Lord?' they said yes. This is what Allah keeps reminding to all generations. Where is Amanah in it? Please don't talk like mullahs.
If you have any amanah, Allah says return amanahs to those who deserve it اھلھا. Have you returned your amanah to its اھل؟
Secondly, 1خسف means to collapse inwardly. جمع means to collect (two or more scattered things)
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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2020, 08:31:58 PM »
Salam brother!
The tedtimony of sons of Adam is another thing whether I remember or not. It is only a reminder: 'Am I not your Lord?' they said yes. This is what Allah keeps reminding to all generations. Where is Amanah in it? Please don't talk like mullahs.
If you have any amanah, Allah says return amanahs to those who deserve it اھلھا. Have you returned your amanah to its اھل؟
Secondly, 1خسف means to collapse inwardly. جمع means to collect (two or more scattered things)
Peace!

Peace..

I can't continue if you are unable to perceive what I write... How can you negate what the other party says.. First gain knowledge to debate...

33:72 and 7:172 is completely different...  So no point of asking "where is amanah in it? "

You say you follow Quran and accepts quran and you feel comfortable in doing so... So accept what God says.. Why reject... Whether you remember it not , you have done it...

If Allah says to return any amanah accepted to those who deserves it.  Then return it.. From whome we got the amanah/ trust? Allah so return it.. But how and when.. How can we return a trust distorted while He gave us complete...
If anyone has entrusted to you amanah... Giving it back in a dilapidated distorted condition is better or return it as it was given to you in the first place?

I am done with you debating but you don't get anything and you don't even debate...

Do I look like like mullah... What is mullah btw... I checked google and I got this definition.. "
a Muslim learned in Islamic theology and sacred law"

Why you say don't be like mulla..  I don't see anything wrong in definition..

In this topic with you this is my last post.. Enough is enough.. But not in any other topic with you or any other.. ..

Thank you

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2020, 08:58:52 PM »
Thank you brother jkhan!
The amanah would be returned to the Almighty on judgement day. Better keep it as it was given.
I will close this debate with 90:10
وھدیناہ النجدین
It is Allah who have given guidance regarding the TWO paths.
Peace!

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #87 on: November 09, 2020, 03:20:04 PM »

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Re: Losing Faith
« Reply #88 on: Yesterday at 04:28:16 PM »
Really interesting read. Thank you for sharing.

I definitely believe I'm in the 'believer' column. Regardless of what i think of the Quran and Hadiths etc there is just an innate belief in me that there is a God. That there is an afterlife, and we will all answer for our good and bad deeds.

Peace be upon you!

In response to your statement: "I'm in the believer column", I would like to counter that and tell you that a Submitter must attain certainty before God grants him the believer title. Depending on the questions you asked on your first comment on this thread; you are doubtful. Verse (49:15) verifies my claim:

[49:15] Rather, the believers are those who believe in God and His messenger, then have no doubt, and strive with their money and themselves in the cause of God. Those are the truthful ones.

Possessing no doubt is one of the criteria's that you must fulfil if you want to be classified as a believer. Please check out this article for more information about the differences between a Submitter (Muslim) and a Believer (Mu'min): https://free-minds.org/mumins


Praise be to God, Lord of the Worlds!
Peace,
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