Bible is the best written book there is. It’s not the quran

[shukri]

Bro Jafar,
I have something to say about your comments in this thread:

(1) Quran is not a collection of poetry or human philosophy. Quran is a message from God to mankind. That is the fact and the proof is there (74:30-37, 2:23-24). Whether it will resonate with people or not, that's a different story. The poetry or philosophy (Lao Tse, etc.) are human-made and not comparable to Quran.

26:224   And the poets, are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.

(2) And I do not resonate with human teachings of philosophy/poetry in any book/writing because most of them are liars. Just take your statement below as a proof:

[I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:
"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life"]

If "Jesus" is really applying what he is talking about (love,compassion, humility and forgiveness), why does he in person fail to follow his own teaching! See bible verses below:

(a) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Mat 23:17)
(b) On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, (Mark 11:15)

Just my 2 cents comment!

[hawk99]

 
I am not trying to offend any of you people, I am just trying to relate to you you what I know to be the Truth about Our Heavenly Father and His Only Beggoten Son Jesus Christ Our Lord And Saviour.

Thanks

Peace Ervin, I have indeed read the entire bible and have found it to
to have many problems like "begotten son" for example.


                                                   

[Jafar]

(1) Quran is not a collection of poetry or human philosophy. Quran is a message from God to mankind. That is the fact and the proof is there (74:30-37, 2:23-24). Whether it will resonate with people or not, that's a different story. The poetry or philosophy (Lao Tse, etc.) are human-made and not comparable to Quran.

Isn't God the one who created EVERYTHING?

[I actually will have more respect to the Thread Starter (or anyone who replied) IF it's more of something like this:
"I find the Gospels to be the best books for me, within I'm inspired by the example of Jesus Christ, through his life story I found the meaning of love, compassion, humility and forgiveness. I'm truly inspired by the story and it makes try to apply love, compassion, humility and forgiveness within all aspect of my life"]

If "Jesus" is really applying what he is talking about (love,compassion, humility and forgiveness), why does he in person fail to follow his own teaching! See bible verses below:

(a) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Mat 23:17)
(b) On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple courts and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, (Mark 11:15)

Like I said if something doesn't resonate with you, from whatever source, then just ignore it..
Cherry pick only those that resonate with you.

If you don't like cursing anyone as shown by Jesus there (or whomever), then do not curse anyone.

I would like to add more example, related to cursing, from any sources:
- Cursing a fig tree.
- Cursing the pharisees and the scribes, labelling them as 'viper'.
- Cursing the flame daddy and his wife
- Cursing the unbelievers
- Cursing the Jews

But, if you feel that 'cursing' DOES resonate with you, then feel free to curse anyone or anything that you like and use anything that you found within (any) books to justify the act.

[shukri]

But, if you feel that 'cursing' DOES resonate with you, then feel free to curse anyone or anything that you like and use anything that you found within (any) books to justify the act.

Bro Jafar,
I'm not cursing anyone including a man called "Jesus" or any poets or philosophers. I'm just saying most of them are liars. Just talk-the-talk but not walk-the-talk (AQ 26:224-27). AND this statement also applies to you.

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19
Position 3 (Principle or Rule clarified)
Level 9 (Misconceptions clarified)

Why?
Because you also failed to apply your resonate words of "love, compassion, humility and forgiveness" in your daily life.
Just see your first posting on this thread:

"(I sometimes wondered the Quran author's psyche condition when he penned out that sentence.#pride #mybook #isthebest #nobodycanbeatme #quranpride" and follow by ego statement of Muhammad Ibn Zakariya al-Razi)"

Do you know that this "mocking" statement is a gross sin (as the author of Quran is God himself, AQ 17:88, 2:23-24) and hurting people out-there including me. Do you realise that? AND that's why your name is coded in verse 26:224-227!

Sorry to say this!

[shukri]

My Summary in replying to Jafar's posts:

1) Verse 17:88 is very true for the people who believe that the Quran is mathematically composed of miracle-19 (AQ 74:30-37). AND the challenge is there for the people in-doubt (AQ 22:3-4)! ...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf? 
 
2) I'm not resonate with human poetry or philosophy. I just resonate with the Quran, a God's message to human beings. This is the truth and the only truth (74:30-37, 17:88, 2:23-24) to resonate with.

3) Most of the poets or philosophers are liars (26: 224-227) and the proofs are given on Reply #20 and Reply #23.

4) We are God's servant and the God's words (Quran) are the truth forever. Human-made words although seem very fascinating but sometimes just an illusion not applicable in the real world. *Just quotes another example of what "Jesus" says in the bible ... "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also (Matt 5:39 )". How many people can do it? I can't for sure and the guru "Jesus" also failed (Matt 23:17, Mark 11:15)!

5) The salvation in the hereafter lies in the words of God not in people's fascinating words.

74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:35  This is one of the great miracles.
74:36  A warning to the human race.
74:37  For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

--> 74(30+35+36+37) = 74(138) = 3902 x 19
Position 2 (Command used in various situations)
Level 4 (Verses which can be extrapolated)

Ends.
Salam bro Jafar!
So long.   

[Noon waalqalami]

... AND this statement also applies to you.

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19

Peace, you didn't show your work (failed trials) and quoting out of context.

26:221 هل shall انبيكم enlightens you علي upon من who تنزل descend الشيطين the devils
26:222 تنزل descend علي on كل every افاك liar اثيم sinner
26:223 يلقون passing السمع the hearing واكثرهم and more them كاذبون lying
26:224 والشعرا and the poets يتبعهم followed them الغاوون the deviating
26:225 الم did not تر see انهم that they في in كل every واد valley يهيمون wander
26:226 وانهم and indeed they يقولون speaketh being ما what لا not يفعلون fulfilling
26:227 الا except الذين the ones امنوا believes they of وعملوا and work they of الصلحت the righteous وذكروا and remember الله the god كثيرا much of وانتصروا and defends they of من from بعد after ما what ظلموا wrong they of وسيعلم and shall knoweth الذين the ones ظلموا wrong they of اي which منقلب return ينقلبون they turning/returning


530... gematrical value for shukri (شكري‎)
(221 + 222 + 223 + 224 + 225 + 226 + 227) = 1568

https://www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html

Permutations without repetition (n=4  r=3)
Using Items: 530 26 221222223224225226227 1568

List has 24 entries.
26 221222223224225226227 530 = 19 x 13800643275381171171698700

Permutations without repetition (n=4  r=4)
Using Items: 530 26 221222223224225226227 1568

List has 24 entries.
221222223224225226227 26 530 1568 = 19 x 11643274906538169801435015872
221222223224225226227 1568 530 26 = 19 x 11643274906538169801429308054

likewise, chapter/verses man-made, initials not separate verse, 26th chapter was 36th, etc.

https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/26/vers/227?handschrift=222
Sanaa, Dār al-Maḫṭūṭāt: DAM 01-32.1

The salvation in the hereafter lies in the words of God not in people's fascinating words.

74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:35  This is one of the great miracles.
74:36  A warning to the human race.
74:37  For those among you who wish to advance, or regress.

--> 74(30+35+36+37) = 74(138) = 3902 x 19

over what (feminine) are nineteen group (masculine) -- was asked of you before?

66:6... عليها alayha/over her/it (f) مليكه malaikatun/controllers (m)
74:30 عليها alayha/over her/it (f) تسعه nonet عشر ten {nineteen (m)}

Masculine تِسْعةَ عَشَرَ   Feminine تِسْعَ عَشْرةَ   Symbol ١٩

read in context, use cross-reference, not about today’s numerology.






peace!

[shukri]

Bro Noon!
Please study the Al-Muzzammil method very carefully before using it. There is a rule to be followed and no permutation at all! These points I already mentioned to you in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God?". Don't waste your time!

About verse 74:30
74:30  Over it is nineteen.
74:31  We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number (count) to disturb the disbelievers, to convince the Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), to strengthen the faith of the faithful, to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.
74:35  This is one of the great (miracles).

Just make it simple:
In verse 74:31 the keyword is wording "number/count". Therefore "the great" in verse 74:35 must be referring to number 19. Also see the digit of the verse 74:35 --> 7+4+3+5 = 19.
No doubt at all!

[shukri]

Bro Noon!

If you still insist that the Quran is not mathematically composed (74:30-37) and the verse 74:35 is not meant for number 19, please produce a sura like al-fatehah which fulfill all the facts (19-denominator) given in this link...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
   
This challenge has been forwarded to you before (in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God") and I'm still waiting for your response! That's a challenge from the Owner of the Quran to you (2:23-24). Proof it now if you are truthful and the case will be closed forever!

[shukri]

Bro Noon,

Miracle-19 (74:30,35) is the incontrovertible evidence that the Quran is from God. Humans can't produce it (17:88) and the challenge is there (2:23-24)!

The purpose of this miracle is given in verse 74:31. There are five categories of peoples:

AQ 74:31 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(1) to disturb the disbelievers (atheists/non ahlul-kitaab),
(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (ahlul-kitaab),
(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory/example?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills.
None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

If you think you are a true follower of the Quran, you should belong to categories (3) and (4) definitely. If not, you without a doubt are in category (5). In fact, miracle-19 will expose the hypocrites as well as the disbelievers. Everybody can self-reflect!

Be careful!

[Noon waalqalami]

Just make it simple:
In verse 74:31 the keyword is wording "number/count". Therefore "the great" in verse 74:35 must be referring to number 19. Also see the digit of the verse 74:35 --> 7+4+3+5 = 19.
No doubt at all!

peace shukri, it's simple nothing to do with numerology read in context.

383 verses digits add up to nineteen and you don't know which to use e.g.

(7+4+8=19) 7:48 ونادي and call out اصحب companions الاعرف the heights
(7+4+8=19) 74:8 فاذا so when of نقر is blown في in الناقور the trumpet
(7+4+2+6=19) 74:26 ساصليه shall I drive him سقر abyss
(7+4+4+4=19) 74:44 ولم and not نك we were نطعم we feed المسكين the poor
(7+4+5+3=19) 74:53 كلا nay indeed بل rather لا not يخفون fearing الاخره the afterlife its

Bro Noon!

If you still insist that the Quran is not mathematically composed (74:30-37) and the verse 74:35 is not meant for number 19, please produce a sura like al-fatehah which fulfill all the facts (19-denominator) given in this link...
http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/bp2/BeyondProbability_TheKey_AlFatehah.pdf?
   
This challenge has been forwarded to you before (in thread "Is Covid-19 a reminder from God") and I'm still waiting for your response! That's a challenge from the Owner of the Quran to you (2:23-24). Proof it now if you are truthful and the case will be closed forever!

you want me to flip digits show 1/19 hits, hide 18/19 failures?
here is challenge for you (see code 29 thread) much harder!

No, one can move infinity still get multiples likewise with 9:128-129.
The higher prime number the less likely to be multiple; example Qaf.

Ch      Qaf      19   23   29
1         1            
2      553            
3      306            
4      255            
5      265            
6      271            
7      356            
8      109            
9      216            
10      181            
11      180            
12      193            
13       87            
14       57            
15       83            
16      131            
17      155            
18      151            
19       86            
20      162            
21      105            
22       98            
23      109            
24       61            
25       89            
26      133            
27      120            
29      147            
29       92            
30       77            
31       31            
32       38            
33      111            
34       94            
35       42            
36       72            
37       80            
38       74            
39      115            
40      107            
41       81            
42       57            
43       84            
44       35            
45       36            
46       73            
47       38            
48       47            
49       32            
50       57            
51       46            
52       28            
53       17            
54       48            
55       22            
56       35            
57       49            
58       27            
59       44            
60       27            
61       19            
62       14            
63       23            
64       14            
65       28            
66       17            
67       36            
68       21            
69       29             69:1 الحاقه the reality (1+30+8+1+100+5 = 145) or 5 x 29!
70       16            
71       21            
72       25            
73       24            
74       25            
75       27            
76       15            
77       18            
78       17            
79       11            
80       13            
81         8            
82         3            
83       13            
84       15            
85         6            
86         9            
87         6            
88         3            
89       10            
90       10            
91       10            
92         5            
93         2            
94         1            
95         3            
96         8            
97         3            
98         4            
99         4            
100         3            
101         4            
102         3            
103         1            
104         1            
105         0            
106         1            
107         0            
108         0            
109         1            
110         0            
111         0            
112         1            
113         6            
114         1            
               
Total =7034 Qaf in Qur'an

Bro Noon,

Miracle-19 (74:30,35) is the incontrovertible evidence that the Quran is from God. Humans can't produce it (17:88) and the challenge is there (2:23-24)!

The purpose of this miracle is given in verse 74:31. There are five categories of peoples:

AQ 74:31 We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned their number
(1) to disturb the disbelievers (atheists/non ahlul-kitaab),
(2) to convince the Christians and Jews (ahlul-kitaab),
(3) to strengthen the faith of the faithful,
(4) to remove all traces of doubt from the hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and
(5) to expose those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will say, "What did God mean by this allegory/example?" God thus sends astray whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills.
None knows the soldiers of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

If you think you are a true follower of the Quran, you should belong to categories (3) and (4) definitely. If not, you without a doubt are in category (5). In fact, miracle-19 will expose the hypocrites as well as the disbelievers. Everybody can self-reflect!

Be careful!

your assumption/translation is poor -- that every person who doesn't flip digits or is called Jafar is an unbeliever?

74:31 وما and not جعلنا made we of اصحب companions النار the fire الا except مليكه malaikatan/controllers
 وما and not جعلنا made we of عدتهم count theirs الا except فتنه fitnatan/trial للذين for the ones كفروا reject they of
1.   ليستيقن liyastayqina/surely convinced الذين the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book
2.   ويزدد wayazdada/and increased الذين the ones امنوا believes they of ايمنا faith of
3.   ولا and not يرتب doubted الذين the ones اوتوا given they of الكتب the book والمومنون and those believing
4.   وليقول and surely speaketh الذين the ones في in قلوبهم hearts theirs مرض illness والكفرون and the rejecting
5.   ماذا what hath اراد intends الله the god بهذا in this مثلا similitude of? (asking why 19 guards over hellfire?)
 كذلك like such يضل misguided الله the god من whom يشا willed ويهدي and guided من whom يشا willed
 وما and not يعلم knoweth جنود junuda/soldiers (# of guards over hellfire) ربك lord your الا except هو he
 وما and not هي it is الا except ذكري reminder للبشر to the mortal

26:224   And the poets are followed by the strayers.
26:225   Do you not see that they traverse in every valley.
26:226   And that what they say, is not what they do!
26:227   Except for those who believe, and do good works, and remember God greatly, and were victorious after they were wronged. As for those who did wrong, they will know which fate they will meet.
353 ... gematrical value for Jafar (جعفر)

--> 353 26(224225226227) = 1859274959222433 x 19

therefore according to your "Al-Muzzammil method" whatever, every person
called Rashad ( رشاد ) gv = 505 e.g. Rashad Khalifa‎ is disturbed/unbeliever?

--> 505 26 224225226227 = 2659274959222433 x 19