Quote from: good logic on October 04, 2020, 09:17:50 AM
It thereofore stands to reason that all words must be checked to "distinguish the true from the false" and GOD s words are and always will be TRUE AND PERFECT".
You and your lying imams have invented this criterion to distinguish the false from the true. All you're saying is that the Koran is true because it's from God and that we know it's from God because it is true. That's so circular, and thus irrational, that my head is spinning. On this nasty piece of paralogism you build claim you have a right to judge the Bible. All I can say is, "Uhhh?"
The God of the Bible gave another criterion, namely, that the older revelation ALWAYS scrutinises the newer.
The first formal setting down of this is found in the fifth book of Torah, Deuteronomy. God says to Moses, ""If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods'—which you have not known—'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst." (Deut 13).
The second time occurs in chapter 18: "the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'— when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him."
Muhammad was not ordained by God to speak but by a demon masquerading as an angel. Muhammad is a false prophet because he was never sanctioned by God. God, 500 years earlier, gave us a warning that this is exactly what Satan does: "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light." (2 Corinthians)
Jesus, himself, followed the criterion of truth that assesses the new revelation for truth by comparing it with the previous established revelation of God. Here is Jesus, as recorded in the Bible, talking with two disciples after he had resurrected from the dead:
"Then on the same day we find two of them going off to Emmaus, a village about seven miles from Jerusalem. As they went they were deep in conversation about everything that had happened. While they were absorbed in their serious talk and discussion, Jesus himself approached and walked along with them, but something prevented them from recognising him. Then he spoke to them, "What is all this discussion that you are having on your walk?"
They stopped, their faces drawn with misery, and the one called Cleopas replied, "You must be the only stranger in Jerusalem who hasn't heard all the things that have happened there recently!"
"What things?" asked Jesus. "Oh, all about Jesus, from Nazareth. There was a man—a prophet strong in what he did and what he said, in God's eyes as well as the people's. Haven't you heard how our chief priests and rulers handed him over for execution, and had him crucified? But we were hoping he was the one who was to come and set Israel free ...
"Yes, and as if that were not enough, it's getting on for three days since all this happened; and some of our womenfolk have disturbed us profoundly. For they went to the tomb at dawn, and then when they couldn't find his body they said that they had a vision of angels who said that he was alive. Some of our people went straight off to the tomb and found things just as the women had described them—but they didn't see him!"
Then he spoke to them, "Aren't you failing to understand, and slow to believe in all that the prophets have said? Was it not inevitable that Christ should suffer like that and so find his glory?"
Then, beginning with Moses and all the prophets, he explained to them everything in the scriptures that referred to himself. They were by now approaching the village to which they were going. He gave the impression that he meant to go on further, but they stopped him with the words, "Do stay with us. It is nearly evening and soon the day will be over."
So he went indoors to stay with them. Then it happened! While he was sitting at table with them he took the loaf, gave thanks, broke it and passed it to them. Their eyes opened wide and they knew him! But he vanished from their sight. Then they said to each other, "Weren't our hearts glowing while he was with us on the road, and when he made the scriptures so plain to us?"
And they got to their feet without delay and turned back to Jerusalem. There they found the eleven and their friends all together, full of the news—"The Lord is really risen—he has appeared to Simon now!"
Then they told the story of their walk, and how they recognised him when he broke the loaf.
And while they were still talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them and said, "Peace be to you all!"
But they shrank back in terror for they thought they were seeing a ghost.
"Why are you so worried?" said Jesus, "and why do doubts arise in your minds? Look at my hands and feet—it is really I myself! Feel me and see; ghosts have no flesh or bones as you can see that I have."
But while they still could not believe it through sheer joy and were quite bewildered, Jesus said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
They gave him a piece of broiled fish and part of a honeycomb which he took and ate before their eyes. Then he said, "Here and now are fulfilled the words that I told you when I was with you: that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and in the prophets and psalms must come true."
Then he opened their minds so that they could understand the scriptures, and added, "That is how it was written, and that is why it was inevitable that Christ should suffer, and rise from the dead on the third day. So must the change of heart which leads to the forgiveness of sins be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (The Gospel of Luke 24)
