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Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« on: September 18, 2020, 12:24:09 PM »
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To me feminism is just another word for 'women's rights'. Are there extreme/ toxic forms of feminism? Yes but there are extreme versions of every ideology. Growing up as a sunni, as we all know you learn things such as women should be quiet so no man gets attracted to her voice or so she doesn't attract attention, men and women shouldn't be in the same room, there was some hadith on how women should not or do make leaders, and in islamic cultures women are the ones expected to cook, clean and take care of the house even in the context of them being single and the daughter or sister etc. whilst the men sit back even if they do not have a job. So many sexist views etc. originating from sunni Islam.

Feminism taught me about the patriarchy and how traditional views on what women can and can't do are not true. A lot of feminism is against objectifying women which I think goes in line with the Qur'an in that you shouldn't just see someone as an object but know that they are a person with feelings, they also have a soul and should be respected. It's about equality and not seeing a female as a second class citizen.

Having stated all this, I'm actually not a feminist because although I was taught a bit, I haven't read many books on it or even know the prominent feminists out there. All I can say is that if it sticks up for my rights as a women, how can I be against it? Obviously I've heard of toxic versions of feminism so I do not support those forms of it.
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Re: Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2020, 01:39:38 PM »
Hi sister Sarah.
It is a whole world problem for women, not just Muslims or Qoranists  or...
It will take more time. We are not there yet. It is still a "man s world" out there!

What is a feminist perspective? – An Overview
BY NANCY

Feminist Perspective:  One’s worldview is formed by the experiences one has lived. It is apparent but often-overlooked fact that everyday experiences of women are not the same as men. Nevertheless, social theorists, for a very long time, continued to proffer an androcentric view of the world. No wonder why we only heard about the founding fathers of sociology.

Feminist perspective highlights the social issues that are often overlooked or misidentified by already present social theories. It analyses women’s experiences of gender subordination and identifies the underlying causes of gender oppression. It closely studies women’s social roles, interests and experiences at both micro and macro level.

Feminist perspective uses conflict theory to examine the reinforcement of gender roles and inequalities. While conflict theory focuses on the unequal distribution of power and resources, feminist theory, at a more nuanced level, looks at power in its relation to gender.

The proponents of feminist perspective argue that the relations between women and men cannot be reduced to differences in biological functions. Gender is much more than biological distinctions. It consists of assumptions and social expectations regarding what it means to be a male or a female. These aspects are sociological as they form a part of the culture and not nature. Therefore, according to feminists, gender is a social construct as social actors actively create it during everyday interactions.

There are diverse feminist theories, each having different perspective but working towards the same aim – offering remedies for gender inequalities. Liberal feminists believe that women’s unequal access to social, political and economic institutions causes their oppression. They believe that gender equality can be brought by ‘transforming the division of labour through the repatterning of key institutions- law, work, family, education, and media’ (Ritzer, 1992).

Radical feminists believe that oppression is rooted in sexuality. According to them, sexism is the oldest form of oppression. They argue that women’s bodies are controlled through violence, objectification and social institutions such as law, medicine, and religion. They propound that eradication of patriarchy and compulsory heterosexuality can eliminate gender oppression. Altering the current sexist discourse of motherhood, childbirth and sexuality can annihilate patriarchy.
 Because  we are still here,quote:
 Why is it that even today, in the 21st century, women tend to hide their feminine traits in order to be taken seriously? Why is it that being “girly” is considered an insult?
For centuries now, men have enjoyed supremacy over women. The first evidences to support this supremacy in India were found in the manusmriti. Apart from dealing with topics related to conduct, virtues, duties, rights and laws; the controversial text had many inconsistent views on women. It goes so far and even prescribes the number of lashings to be meted out and the length of the stick with which it must be administered in case of misconduct by a women. The text preached that a woman must obey and worship her father, brothers, husband and son as “a woman must never seek to live independently” (Olivelle, 2005).
Sister,it is a worldwide problem, more so in Islamic and Abrahamic religions.

For me, it is a mental attitude problem as well, one is a human being with eyes,ears and brain first and foremost,not a male or female. If one see themselves as either male or female or no gender,or other type,they need to search inside them further to bring out the true self(spiritual self), This will nurture a confidence that overcomes the gender types . Then all humans will be seen as GOD s  spiritual beings with the same purpose.
!Inna Akramakum ...Atkaakum!. i,e all competing in righteousness

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Re: Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2020, 09:09:57 PM »
Its not restricted to  Islam or any specific religion, the problems for women are mostly common everywhere. As an Individual each of us has some Individual rights and the society cannot take away those in whatever names of restrictions, but the society wants us to be one among the herd and it thinks its safe, society is stronger than the individual, so women more than men should be more aware of their capabilities, rights and limits and I think thats real feminism.

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Re: Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2020, 04:37:16 PM »
Peace Good Logic,

thank you for the info and answer.

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Re: Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2020, 04:41:20 PM »
Its not restricted to  Islam or any specific religion, the problems for women are mostly common everywhere. As an Individual each of us has some Individual rights and the society cannot take away those in whatever names of restrictions, but the society wants us to be one among the herd and it thinks its safe, society is stronger than the individual, so women more than men should be more aware of their capabilities, rights and limits and I think thats real feminism.

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I know...I was just giving my personal example of patriarchy in Muslim culture. It's everywhere. In the West there are a lot of men who think females are personal assistants that should 'make them a sandwich' both literally and figuratively. Obviously men who are mature and less self-obsessed will recognise females as individuals, equals and not hold such strange attitudes.
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Re: Why are some people who follow the Qur'an alone against feminism
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2020, 10:56:56 PM »
Salam/Peace and Allah (SWTAY) bless you dear sister Sarah. I am okay with feminism, i am though against the extremist view of feminism which is misandric but i will not go hating feminism as a whole though. Feminism do fight for equality for women, the extremist is more to disregard men's rights. This is from my experience so far with extremist view of feminism.