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Can God forget?
« on: September 04, 2020, 09:15:52 PM »
hello,

I was reading this verse,  فَالْيَوْمَ نَنسَاهُمْ كَمَا نَسُواْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِهِمْ 7:51 people who forgot god in this world god will forget them in the hereafter, and thinking 'can god forget?'

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2020, 01:39:23 AM »
Peace muqeem.
Welcome.
About your query, it sounds to me like this example:
"Because you forgot to do your work(voluntarily without a good reason), I am going to forget paying you". i.e you do not deserve your pay.
 There is a difference here ,it is not an actual "forget" as in cannot remember.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
salam

The God does not forget anything

He created everything even the tiny pebble lost deep underground ... literally everything and also literally nothing happens without His permission

He does not need angels or anyone to record anything.. it is a system He created only

He needs nothing and no one

when He says He will forget the disbelievers and wrongdoers i understand He means He will not have mercy on them and will discard them

The God is the owner of ALL and EVERYTHING, there is just Him and none else and He knows everything including past present and future (it is He who permits the “future” to even happen)

so no, The God forgets nothing

and so we need to strive to do good even if it is the size of a pebble (but we should aim
to do good without limit with His permission :) )... everything is known to Him

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2020, 11:27:39 AM »
Salam

Whatever! But there are certain things which God cannot do. For example, He CANNOT sleep, He CANNOT weep, He CANNOT dream, He CANNOT eat or drink etc. So God cannot do what we and other creatures CAN do. This makes us better than God. So, There is no God but Allah! This does not mean that AL-LAH a God.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2020, 12:04:14 PM »
Peace TellMeTheTruth.
All you are saying  is that GOD cannot be a human or an animal(Dabba). But we already know that.
Remember there is a difference between "cannot do" the things you mention and "does not need to do" them.

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2020, 09:46:52 PM »
Peace TellMeTheTruth.
All you are saying  is that GOD cannot be a human or an animal(Dabba). But we already know that.
Remember there is a difference between "cannot do" the things you mention and "does not need to do" them.

GOD bless you.
Peace.
Salam!
All i want to say is that AL-LAH ال لاہ is not equal to God, the god or Al-ILAH ال الہ.
There is simply NO ILAH/GOD.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2020, 09:37:01 AM »
What is there then? Or are you saying you do not believe there is a GOD?
This thread is about a  "can GOD forget" query, not "is there a GOD?
Perhaps you posted in the wrong thread?
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 10:40:17 AM »
Salam!
When there is no God لا الہ then you again put a "the God" which is a joke.
No god/God means no god/God. Simple.
When there is no god/God or GOD then the question is wrong so every answer would be wrong too.
People need to worship a god/God/GOD so they would have atleast one for their own. They would make AL-LAH=AL-ILAH.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2020, 01:38:03 PM »
Peace.
Who is this then?:

كَيفَ تَكفُرونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُم أَموٰتًا فَأَحيٰكُم ثُمَّ يُميتُكُم ثُمَّ يُحييكُم ثُمَّ إِلَيهِ تُرجَعونَ

This  اللَّهَ  in the verse below
Recall that you said, "O Moses, we will not believe unless we see God, physically." Consequently, the lightning struck you, as you looked.
وَإِذ قُلتُم يٰموسىٰ لَن نُؤمِنَ لَكَ حَتّىٰ نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهرَةً فَأَخَذَتكُمُ الصّٰعِقَةُ وَأَنتُم تَنظُرونَ

Or may be you cut sentences into two and you ignore "Except   اللَّهَ "
So of course "there is no god except  اللَّهَ "
GOD bless you.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2020, 10:56:22 PM »
Peace.
Who is this then?:

كَيفَ تَكفُرونَ بِاللَّهِ وَكُنتُم أَموٰتًا فَأَحيٰكُم ثُمَّ يُميتُكُم ثُمَّ يُحييكُم ثُمَّ إِلَيهِ تُرجَعونَ

This  اللَّهَ  in the verse below
Recall that you said, "O Moses, we will not believe unless we see God, physically." Consequently, the lightning struck you, as you looked.
وَإِذ قُلتُم يٰموسىٰ لَن نُؤمِنَ لَكَ حَتّىٰ نَرَى اللَّهَ جَهرَةً فَأَخَذَتكُمُ الصّٰعِقَةُ وَأَنتُم تَنظُرونَ

Or may be you cut sentences into two and you ignore "Except   اللَّهَ "
So of course "there is no god except  اللَّهَ "
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Salam!
Brother! You want a debate coz you don't see with your own eyes. Ayats you referred are for another discussion topic.
Were you dead when Allah gave you life? How and when did you die earlier? Then you died again and He gave you life. Then again you will approach Him. Do you live and die once or die for three times? Refer to 40:11 also.
In other ayat, the request was accepted or rejected? If rejected then why they were shown صاعقۃ? Was it apunishment? Then why In the next ayah they were resurrected. Is resurrection بعث is in this life or in the other? Why they were given من و سلوی. You will present All but traditions.

Please show an ayah in which Allah says that He is a god/God/GOD or a deity to worship. Refer to 20:98 saheeh international.
Your god is only Allah, except "for whom there is no deity". He has encompassed all things in knowledge."
what does لا الہ mean? For Him is no god except He. He who? Translateالذی لا الہ الا ھو
Translators are always confused and they confuse you too. Thanks!
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2020, 06:49:53 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

i am sorry but i am having trouble understanding your posts

are you saying there is no God?

in any case there is ONE God and He is THE God

Al-Lah means The God

what else do you think it means??

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2020, 09:41:24 AM »
Salam!
Al-Lah is The Creator and The Ruler of this universe whether He is worshipped or not. While a god/God/God, deity, goddess, image, object, spirit is something or someone worshipped with a belief that it has some superhuman powers or control over nature.
People practice rituals and sacrifice animals or human beings in the name of their deity/god etc while Al-Lah does not need our Rizq or the blood or flesh of sacrifices does not reach Him. We should not treat Him as a god/deity.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2020, 10:04:26 AM »
hello,

I was reading this verse,  فَالْيَوْمَ نَنسَاهُمْ كَمَا نَسُواْ لِقَاءَ يَوْمِهِمْ 7:51 people who forgot god in this world god will forget them in the hereafter, and thinking 'can god forget?'
Salam!
Question should be "can Allah forget? Answer is Yes! He will forget people similarily as they used to forget Him. and this is Allah's own words in Al-Quran 7:51. If you cannot or don't want to believe His words then who would you believe?
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2020, 10:40:58 AM »
salam

yea the blood flesh doesnt reach Him but our piety does ... when we slaighter animals or eat of anything we mention Him and give thanks .. that is prt of worshipping Him

yes He does not need anyone or anything but we do need Him ... but that does not go against the definition of God

i understand God to mean the Lord .. the Creator ... they are interchangeable

He is THE God, there is No God/Lord/Creator ... but Him

so what does Al-Lah mean in terms of pure definition?

what do you define God to mean?

Al-Lah does not forget anything or anyone ... He is not bound by anything  ... He literally does what He wants and He is the ONLY to literally do what He wants

when He says He will forget them i understand He will discard them and not have mercy on them or respond to their supplication

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2020, 11:42:51 AM »

yea the blood flesh doesnt reach Him but our piety does ... when we slaighter animals or eat of anything we mention Him and give thanks .. that is prt of worshipping Him
Salam!
Piety? What is its definition?
Killing a living being by mentioning His name is not killing?
Allah says in Al-Quran 5:32 that:
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a "soul" unless for a "soul" or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain "mankind" entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Which "soul"? If you kill an animal for yourself and for your people then why mention His name?
Al-Quran 2:205
And when he goes away, he strives throughout the land to cause corruption therein and destroy crops and animals. And Allah does not like corruption.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2020, 01:48:50 PM »
Peace TellMeTheTruth.
Allah/GOD is The Creator and The Ruler of this universe .
Exactly.That is what I wanted to say to you all along.

 Allah/GOD bless you.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2020, 07:26:18 AM »
TellMeTheTruth, for the sake of your name, Allah is presented in the quran as the "true god", while other gods of the region are presented as false gods (allat, uza, manat). Another thing is the pre-islamic rituals done to the false gods (or any god for that matter) like animal sacrifice carried over to the god of the quran. But also pre-islamic local beliefs like the invisible desert dwellers (the Jinn) who were not mentioned in the previous abrahamic religions. So you make of that what you will. Also correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2020, 10:23:14 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

killing animals is a corruption?

are we not told by God that we could eat from their meat and ride on them etc and that we should not eat of them if they were not dedicated to Him?

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2020, 10:44:31 AM »
TellMeTheTruth, for the sake of your name, Allah is presented in the quran as the "true god", while other gods of the region are presented as false gods (allat, uza, manat). Another thing is the pre-islamic rituals done to the false gods (or any god for that matter) like animal sacrifice carried over to the god of the quran. But also pre-islamic local beliefs like the invisible desert dwellers (the Jinn) who were not mentioned in the previous abrahamic religions. So you make of that what you will. Also correct me if I'm wrong.
Salam, dear brother!
A god is a god. You believe in one god because you believe that he/she/it is the true god. Similarily someone else bielieves in another god because he/she believes that his/her god is the true god. You will call others' god as a false god and they will call your god a false god.
Allah tells in quran that they will never follow your qibla and you will never follow their qibla. And that is due to the above-mentioned reason.
Pre-islamic Arabs worshipped a god called Allah. Do you worship the same Allah? Or some other Allah? Which Allah is a true god?
In Quran 6:154 [Saheeh International]
Then We gave Moses the Scripture, making complete [Our favor] upon the one who did good and as a " detailed explanation of all things and as guidance and mercy " that perhaps in [the matter of] the meeting with their Lord they would believe.
Secondly, it is true that pre-islamic rituals are added up in deen.
Well, why not fully detailed book given to moses, had no mention of desert-dwelling djinns? Let's tell Allah that He forgot to mention something in His previous scriptures (استعذ باللہ).
I will appreciate your answer if you also give references from Quran in support.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2020, 11:06:22 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

The God never tells us in Quran that djinn are desert dwelling !

and i understand that people changed the sayings in Torah and Injeel so maybe djinn where slowly erased from those books

or maybe the djinn in the other books are what they call fallen angels ... as from my understanding in Quran angels and djinns are perhaps same creation but angels believed and were chosen by God to be His “assistants” but sjinns initially disbelieves until some reverted when the Quran was sent down

Al-Lah means The God so perhaps “pre islamic” arabia believed in a God they called The God but had some additions (the female alat etc) or they believed in The God and had additions

maybe I am wrong but perhaps prophet mohammed pbuh and people with him are descendants of ishmail pbuh and those who were with him and hence why the word Al-Lah survived (mohammed pbuh and his people are referred to as people of the shrine and ishmael pbuh resided in/around the shrine) i believe sacred shrine  to be in/around petra perhaps the monastery (God mentions in Quran the romans and about people saying trinity ... there were no romans or christians in southern arabia as per my understanding)

that is just my thoughts maybe i am wrong

in any case i still have trouble understanding what your point is

on a side note about monastery in petra being the sacred shrine:

*counter arguments for monastery being the sacred shrine - i read byzantine carved crosses inside and that it had hellenistic influence in architecture ...

*arguments pro - in an elevated place, no pagan drawings (except carved crosses), romans took over it so maybe that is what is meant by barring the prophet mohammed pbuh and muslims from it, thought to be a religious gathering place ...

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2020, 11:15:57 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

killing animals is a corruption?

are we not told by God that we could eat from their meat and ride on them etc and that we should not eat of them if they were not dedicated to Him?

peace
Salam, dear tutti frutti!
In my previous post/answer, I have given references from Quran and you may verify.
Animals are also Allah's creations as we are. For example:
[6:38] Saheeh International
And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
are they not living beings like us? They have red blood as we have, they breathe like us, they bear children like us. (The only difference is of intelligence level, which is Ruh from Allah. 15:29 and 38:79. Note روحی My Ruh is used in first person.)
1) If you dedicate an animal to Allah by mentioning His name on them then why you or other people eat from them? Will you not become partners of Allah? On the other hand, Allah does not need Rizq from us.
2) If you kill animals for youself or your family/people then it becomes اھل لغیر اللہ (i.e., killed for other than Allah) so it would be haram.
Allah has told what you can eat from animals. Refer to Quran I6:66.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2020, 11:25:54 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

thank you for your reply

1) mentioning the name of God when killing animals is to thank Him and acknoweldge that He creates them (and everything else)

2) we dont slaughter them for us or our family as in our glory .. no one has any glory as all glory belongs to The God ... humans slaughter animals to eat and so they could live an extra day non? we supposed to not eat animals or fruits etc?
vivons d’amour et d’eau fraiche alors :) lol

what is your point? lol

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2020, 11:44:23 AM »
salam tellmethetruth

thank you for your reply

1) mentioning the name of God when killing animals is to thank Him and acknoweldge that He creates them (and everything else)

2) we dont slaughter them for us or our family as in our glory .. no one has any glory as all glory belongs to The God ... humans slaughter animals to eat and so they could live an extra day non? we supposed to not eat animals or fruits etc?
vivons d’amour et d’eau fraiche alors :) lol

what is your point? lol

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2020, 11:49:40 AM »
Salam!
You need to eat for survival so eat whatever you need. Why say halal and/or haram then?
Keep on shedding the blood and corrupting the earth.
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2020, 02:13:45 PM »
salam

i dont say halal or haram only The God decides

and He told us what is haram (blood, swine, food dedicated to other than Him ...)

mais what are you saying? we should not eat?

im confused as to what you are actually trying to say lol

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2020, 08:45:49 PM »
Salam!
I want to say that stop shedding the blood. Stop killing living beings.
When you eat meat, is it alive or 'already dead'?
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2020, 11:03:23 PM »
salam

i really do not understand what you are trying to say lol

anyways thank you for the exchange

good luck to you

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2020, 04:20:03 AM »

Well, why not fully detailed book given to moses, had no mention of desert-dwelling djinns? Let's tell Allah that He forgot to mention something in His previous scriptures (استعذ باللہ).


Reading this I think it's worthless to even try to go further into it.

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2020, 05:16:39 AM »
Salam!
What's wrong?
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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2020, 12:43:19 AM »
Allah does not forget. Allah simply switches off the consciousness unit in question. That is how Jahannam works. There is awareness but no Consciousness. You need Consciousness to experience Beauty.

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Re: Can God forget?
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2020, 01:59:23 AM »
Salam!
You cannot change words of Allah.
Peace!