Author Topic: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven  (Read 8440 times)

tutti_frutti

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Re: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2020, 11:12:35 AM »
salam

only The God can create. nothing and no else can create. ao obviously He created everything including paradise and hell.

but if you meed verses well we are also told He that created everything (7:54) so everything includes everything (paradise and hell included)

we are told in 18:102 that God prepared hell for the disbelievers

in any case only The God has power over creation and power to create

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Re: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
« Reply #91 on: October 07, 2020, 07:00:40 AM »
Hi,

My thought is the following:

Could be Humans are creating their own "Haven" or "Hell" based on their deeds.

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Re: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
« Reply #92 on: October 07, 2020, 07:17:20 AM »
salam

my take:

humans do not create their own havens/heaven or hell

God creates

humans are given permission by God to either  submit to Him willingly or reject (but in fine submit even if unwillingly on day of judgment)

those who strive in their worship of Him and do good deeds may perhaps hope for paradise God willing and they will have what their souls wish for as per my understanding

God gave His creation a very straightforward system... strive in your worship of Him !

those who reject even if they do good deeds are destined to hell as per my understanding and hell i believe is the earth

my point is we do not create anything we just strive and hope for His mercy..

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Re: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
« Reply #93 on: October 08, 2020, 05:28:18 AM »
Hi,

My thought is the following:

Could be Humans are creating their own "Haven" or "Hell" based on their deeds.

Peace
I agree with that, we generate the consequences, the results of our deeds and ommissions. The word create, using it in a language other than the Qur'an is confusing, because we understand many things by create, and there are many words in the Qur'an that are translated equally by create, so we get carried in the debate of who can create or not and the fact is that we may be talking about different things.

If we create our deeds so that hey cause misfortune and anger, we will find that, that will be our hell, that is the mizan which rules absolutely all existence.

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Re: The fuel of hell and the new life forms of heaven
« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2020, 03:30:33 AM »
My thought is the following:

Could be Humans are creating their own "Haven" or "Hell" based on their deeds.

Every soul shall be attracted to the realms which matches with his/her personality...

Just like listening to radio station, but there is NOT ONLY 2 radio stations, there are many, hundreds, thousands, millions or perhaps unlimited.
And those who like Jazz shall tune out to the jazz radio station. those who like stand up comedy will tune to the comedy station and so on...

A realm where there's no chance of dominating and enslaving others, no possibility of invading or making a war with others might not be too interesting for a warlord.
He / she will be tuned in to the realm where there's ample opportunity to enslave people, warring with someone and do the things he / she loved the most and experiencing the things that he / she loved the most. (#hate, #fear, #pride)

A realm where there are enslavement of 72 virgins might not be considered as "Heaven" for a human rights activist. He / she will consider it as "Hell", he / she will either leave the realm or try to change the realm by trying to free all enslaved virgins. If it's actually the experience of 'freeing enslaved person' is an experience which actually he / she desire the most.

In the end, everybody will get what they wish for...