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Proof for the existence of an Almighty/Omnipotent being

Started by nimnimak_11, June 14, 2020, 06:31:18 AM

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1) We cannot understand impossibilities (things that can never exist such as married bachelors)

2) That which is not an impossibility either necessarily exists (necessity) or at the very least can come into existence (possibility). Where necessity or possibility is not the case, impossibility (round square) or meaninglessness (sdfjksdfj) is necessarily the case and vice versa.

3) We understand human and unicorn. Given 1-2, either p) humans/unicorns exist (necessity) or q) humans/unicorns can come into existence (possibility). With humans we know that both p and q are true. With unicorns we don't know if p is true, but we know that q is true because unicorns are hypothetically possible as opposed to hypothetically impossibile.

4) Like human and unicorn, we understand omnipotence (almightiness). Therefore either p*) something omnipotent exists (necessity) or q*) something omnipotent can come into existence (possibility)

5) Nothing can become omnipotent from a non-omnipotent state. This is because omnipotence logically requires reach and access to all things. This requires true omnipresence (to be all-present). Since nothing can become truly omnipresent without being truly omnipresent in the first place, nothing can become omnipotent from a non-omnipotent state. Also, that which is truly omnipresent cannot magically shift from being non-omnipotent to being omnipotent. That would be a case of something coming from nothing (which is absurd)

6) Given the fact that we cannot understand impossibilities, and given the fact that we understand omnipotence, then either p* or q* or both must be true. 5 shows that q* is logically impossible, therefore; p*) something omnipotent exists (necessity). In other words, neither impossibile, meaningless or possible; therefore necessary.

You can change omnipotence to true Perfection (God/Allah) and you will still get the same result.

The Sardar


The Sardar

I wonder brother nimnimak_11, are you still active on your blogspot?

This one i mean:

https://philosophyneedsgod.wordpress.com/

Rauf


nimnimak_11

Quote from: The Sardar on June 14, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
Very good philosophy dear brother.

Thanks brother. I'm not really active on my blog post any more.

nimnimak_11

Quote from: Rauf Murtuzov on June 14, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
How does Atheists respond to this?

One atheist said that we can imagine impossibilities. But that's absurd. You tell me something that's actually impossible...and then try and imagine it. If it can be imagined, then by definition it's not an impossibility.

Wakas

You lost me at step 4.

We cannot imagine almightiness because as soon as you imagine it you limit it and almightiness is limitless by definition. Sure, we can perhaps understand the concept of it but isn't that different to what you mean?
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Quote from: nimnimak_11 on June 14, 2020, 07:15:28 PM
One atheist said that we can imagine impossibilities. But that's absurd. You tell me something that's actually impossible...and then try and imagine it. If it can be imagined, then by definition it's not an impossibility.

What does imagination have to do with a situation being possible or impossible ? How do the rules that determine whether something is possible or not relate to it being imaginable ? Specially since imagination isn't bound by those rules.....

A simple example, "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God "
You can imagine it, but it's not gonna happen.

The Sardar

Quote from: nimnimak_11 on June 14, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
Thanks brother. I'm not really active on my blog post any more.
That's unfortunate. Would really love to learn more from your philosophy on your blog.

good logic

Proof of GOD s existence ?
There isn t one for everybody, there is one only for believers..
GOD knows we can never know or prove His existence by our own limited knowledge without clues and a message telling us about the unseen and explaining His attributes.

GOD also knows we cannot prove that He does not exist either.

One can also know GOD exist by other means/senses. GOD still communicates with us. All one needs to do is search for GOD
Nevertheless,It is good to discuss GOD s existence for reflection purpose.
GOD bless.
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