Concerns

[Fadiva]

Peace to everyone,

I know that some people can be anxious about certain things.
I am anxious about the idea to set up partners with God, maybe of lack of understanding about what this all encompasses.
Some times I can have concerns (maybe unjustified worries like something that ressembles "paranoia") like this though : Is using antivirus software making in some way partner with Allah ? I know that it is used to detect computer viruses, prevent a dangerous/infected web page from being displayed  etc... And I tell myself  to be reassured "it's like shield and sword used in war".

Maybe you will find that question crazy, but when someone fear something so much, the can raise distressing thoughts or questions.

If I decided (and I hesitated) to share this here, is to have your opinion (as believer).

And if the administrator of this forum wants, this thread can be used to talk about concerns in general (linked to Islam).

[Layth]

Salam.

That does sound extreme.

I see shirk as linking things/concepts with God when He has no partners, for example:

- Having man-made laws, to which we say "God revealed or God blessed" rather than acknowledging them as 100% human and having no authority beyond what we decide;
- Stating that a human made something wonderful in nature happen - like a garden growing or a child being born - which is clearly God's domain;

[good logic]

Peace All.
How about a list of things that brothers and sisters may add or replace or...
Like below.
Commiting shirk is doing the following:
1- Putting any other authority before GOD Alone

2-Loving and  anyone else( Human, material, other...) more than GOD Alone

3- Relying on anyone elsse to help you before GOD Alone.

4- Believing anyone else has power besides GOD Alone.(Fearing any other power)

5- Thanking anyone else besides GOD Alone first and formost.( Thank GOD first then others as GOD made it happen)

6-Giving more time to anything else more than GOD Alone.(Idolising others).

7- Following our opinions/views/other peoples opinions /views while ignoring/not giving importance to GOD Alone.message/instructions.

GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[reel]

I guess it is a tiny side effect of the mindfulness you are practicing. Try overriding the thought with "God please make this software work".

If the concern eats you up in a quiet room, relax, close your eyes and contact God. Tell him about it. Don't leave out description your fear. You will surely get his response in your heart. The more this happens the more you will be at ease. Do let us know if it works for you.

I must say I have a feeling that your concern is synchronicity in disguise. Creation actually resembles computer programs. Maybe your fear is signaling something?  You have to personally investigate that.

[Cerberus]

God created nature with logic and reason, and we can understand nature and how it was created because we were given the ability to.  It is this ability that makes us humans, and not animals. If there is anything holy in humans it is this ability to reason.
If you give up on that ability, which is supposed to guide you in your quest of truth and understanding then you can only expect the worst.

[good logic]

This logic and reason also tells us to investigate how to live this life.
Does the creator play a part? How?
It does not make sense to leave us with our "warped" logic and  "flawed" reason to go it alone. Is there a manual/ Or more presice a message with instructions to follow for a "better" path?

It is all good and well if one uses logic and reason. But to succeed one needs knowledge and direction. This is  "guidance" from the creator.

Of course if one chooses to rely on only their logic and reason, well they have that choice also.
GOD bless.
Peace.

[Fadiva]

Salam.

That does sound extreme.

I see shirk as linking things/concepts with God when He has no partners, for example:

- Having man-made laws, to which we say "God revealed or God blessed" rather than acknowledging them as 100% human and having no authority beyond what we decide;
- Stating that a human made something wonderful in nature happen - like a garden growing or a child being born - which is clearly God's domain;

Hello Layth,

Yes, I understand, it's because (too much) fears can make someone generate distressing thoughts. I think I wanted to be reassured as I noticed that those fears could infect me so that I can't think clearly. It is not all the time, but it can happen.

Peace be upon you.

[Fadiva]

Peace All.
How about a list of things that brothers and sisters may add or replace or...
Like below.
Commiting shirk is doing the following:
1- Putting any other authority before GOD Alone

2-Loving and  anyone else( Human, material, other...) more than GOD Alone

3- Relying on anyone elsse to help you before GOD Alone.

4- Believing anyone else has power besides GOD Alone.(Fearing any other power)

5- Thanking anyone else besides GOD Alone first and formost.( Thank GOD first then others as GOD made it happen)

6-Giving more time to anything else more than GOD Alone.(Idolising others).

7- Following our opinions/views/other peoples opinions /views while ignoring/not giving importance to GOD Alone.message/instructions.

GOD bless you all.
Peace.

Hello Good Logic,

You mean you say "all thanks to Allah" and then " thank you" when someone give you a service or just do something kind ( like just open the door for you), or just you think that all good things is thanks to Allah and say "thank you" to that person  or are everyday aware of the fact that Allah give the good ?
Or don't you thank people at all ?

In France we say "merci" as a politeness formula maybe there is a slight difference with the english word thank. For example, "thanks to you" will be translated to "grâce à toi" in french ( and not "merci à toi").
Peace 

[Fadiva]

I guess it is a tiny side effect of the mindfulness you are practicing. Try overriding the thought with "God please make this software work".

If the concern eats you up in a quiet room, relax, close your eyes and contact God. Tell him about it. Don't leave out description your fear. You will surely get his response in your heart. The more this happens the more you will be at ease. Do let us know if it works for you.

I must say I have a feeling that your concern is synchronicity in disguise. Creation actually resembles computer programs. Maybe your fear is signaling something?  You have to personally investigate that.

Hello Reel,

I think you gave really good advice. Thanks 

What do you mean by "synchronicity in disguise" ? I don't like and disagree the message that leave my antivirus software " you're protected, you computer is healthy". And I know it's marketing concept to means that the software is up to date and didn't detected any virus or destructed them.
I know how those software works and it seems ok to me, but sometimes I can have distressing thoughts about it.

Yes I think you're right, I should investigated more about it.

Peace.

[Fadiva]

God created nature with logic and reason, and we can understand nature and how it was created because we were given the ability to.  It is this ability that makes us humans, and not animals. If there is anything holy in humans it is this ability to reason.
If you give up on that ability, which is supposed to guide you in your quest of truth and understanding then you can only expect the worst.

Hello Cerberus,

Yes, we have to use our abilities and need the guidance of God (as precised good Logic)
I think that sometimes one can fear somethink so much that they are unable to think correctly or even act.

Peace.