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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2020, 02:59:56 AM »
Then they are not looking at contexts!

So who invented the titles and when?
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2020, 04:02:37 AM »
Then they are not looking at contexts!
salaam,

Are these verses only for the context? Would you eat meat of bird even if God's name not remembered on it?

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So who invented the titles and when?
How do I know the true story in history?
-my current understanding. Verify for yourself -17:36.
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2020, 06:20:13 AM »
Salam.brother.
Eat means all food including bird, otherwise the exceptions would have been given with" eat what GOD has made lawful".

Also if you do not know the history ,how can you be sure the "naming" was not done by instruction from prophet, like the arrangement of surahs?
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2020, 09:29:15 PM »
Salam.brother.
Eat means all food including bird, otherwise the exceptions would have been given with" eat what GOD has made lawful".

Also if you do not know the history ,how can you be sure the "naming" was not done by instruction from prophet, like the arrangement of surahs?
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Peace mohamed..

In my personal view I don't think there is any harm having a chapter name merely to remember it.. It is like giving a number to chapter... God revealed it without chapter name for sure...  Chapter names are not quran or part of quran... Some chapters have different chapter headings...
It's almost like... God created this Earth... People named Misr Madyan Rome etc... There is no harm.. Just to identify.. Different community may give different heading...
God revealed by chapters.. No one can deny it.. If you read verses where chapter /sura apears yiu will grasp...

For example if the heading is "Prophets" it is not necessary in it everything is about prophets... If the heading is "Cave" not necessarily whole chapter is about them.. People not prophet did name them for their convenience...  What is the big issue with it folks? 

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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2020, 03:33:48 AM »
Peace jkhan.
You say,quote:

People not prophet did name them for their convenience...  What is the big issue with it folks?

You are sure brother? Who named them? Or are you guessing? And what convenience?
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2020, 04:35:28 AM »
Peace jkhan.
You say,quote:

People not prophet did name them for their convenience...  What is the big issue with it folks?

You are sure brother? Who named them? Or are you guessing? And what convenience?
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Peace brother...

Yes... I do... I am absolutely sure that prophet won't include anything to quran... He would have only writen ehat is delivered to him... Had he written anything away from what is delivered to him,  then  it will be quran... So had he written headings for chapters then it is part of quran and a real message from God... I won't trust it...

Second point I said people wrote it.. Do you need history and precise record for it? That's common sense...   If not people then who...  Jinn would  have writen on it? Lol..just relax.. People have made ness of many things specially God revealed books in the past... They always need extra from what is revealed... So it is part of their work...
If not people and if it is the messenger then bring proof from history... Boy that need evidence.. And not my claim...

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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2020, 04:51:59 AM »
Eat means all food including bird, otherwise the exceptions would have been given with" eat what GOD has made lawful".

I agree. I took verse 5:3 and 6:118,119&121 differently, and it was wrong.
-my current understanding. Verify for yourself -17:36.
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2020, 12:57:17 PM »
Peace jkhan.
What is certain is that Qoran is divided into surahs. What is also certain is that the arrangement of the surahs is GOD guided.
Similarly titles at the beginning of surahs and the bismallah could also have been instructed with the arrangement, why not?
I do not see any motives for humans to give titles and not accept authorship of it. We could go on but like you say here, quote:

If not people and if it is the messenger then bring proof from history... Boy that need evidence.. And not my claim...

Both these need evidence. You also cannot be sure. For me titles are identities only. They serve to confirm the divide of surahs. The message is the most important. Titles do not change the message of Qoran.
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2020, 03:39:50 AM »
I quoted it wrongly (Reply #26), do not agree here:
Eat means all food

All other occurrences of 'remember God’s name on it' (5:4, 6:138, 22:28,34,36) are clear that the contexts speak about ‘animals’ (including birds-5:4), hence it seems the verses 6:118,119&121 also denotes the same, i.e. it’s not referring to all food. And most likely, all the above verses are referring the slaughter of animal (-clearly in 22:36).
And this command(remember God’s name) didn’t come with/for other foods, because, there is no slaughtering involved!
 
I understand 6:118,119&121 as, an example/illustration for (5:3) 'وَمَا أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ'
-my current understanding. Verify for yourself -17:36.
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Re: What does changing the creation of God mean
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2020, 06:40:32 AM »
Peace Mohamed.
Eat means all food is general like here:
16:114
Therefore, you shall eat from God's provisions everything that is lawful and good, and be appreciative of God's blessings, if you do Ubudu Him alone.
فَكُلوا مِمّا رَزَقَكُمُ اللَّهُ حَلٰلًا طَيِّبًا وَاشكُروا نِعمَتَ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُم إِيّاهُ تَعبُدونَ

16:115
He only prohibits for you dead animals, blood, the meat of pigs,* and food which is dedicated to other than God. If one is forced (to eat these), without being deliberate or malicious, then God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
إِنَّما حَرَّمَ عَلَيكُمُ المَيتَةَ وَالدَّمَ وَلَحمَ الخِنزيرِ وَما أُهِلَّ لِغَيرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ فَمَنِ اضطُرَّ غَيرَ باغٍ وَلا عادٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

16:116
You shall not utter lies with your own tongues stating: "This is lawful, and this is unlawful," to fabricate lies and attribute them to God. Surely, those who fabricate lies and attribute them to God will never succeed.
وَلا تَقولوا لِما تَصِفُ أَلسِنَتُكُمُ الكَذِبَ هٰذا حَلٰلٌ وَهٰذا حَرامٌ لِتَفتَروا عَلَى اللَّهِ الكَذِبَ إِنَّ الَّذينَ يَفتَرونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ الكَذِبَ لا يُفلِحونَ

I do not see any slaughtering mentioned here..
Of course The context in the "Anaam" surah is a bit different.
But in general "eat" means all food.
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