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The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« on: December 30, 2019, 05:22:56 PM »
Peace everyone,

I've made this video on the use of religious labels. Please share it if possible:

https://youtu.be/5e--gIzrFxA

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2019, 12:46:50 AM »
Nice video  :bravo:

Everyone (and everything) emanated from the same infinite source and shall return to the same source, the path that each shall took to return might be different.

An identity is required for the ego to differentiate between those who are among 'them' and those who are among 'us'. There are many identities, as ego can attach and identify itself towards anything, among those identities are 'religion','cult' and 'sect'.

Yet identity; just like ego; is merely an illusion..

In the end 'them' actually do not exist, everyone and everything are actually among us.


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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2019, 06:10:09 PM »
That's true. Unfortunately, the identities often lead to a mentality which harbours enmity or hatred.

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2020, 11:11:22 AM »
Peace
Is not 'Muslim' a label sanctioned by the quran.Do you believe quran to be  Divine scripture?

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2020, 04:10:31 PM »
'Muslim' is an Arabic word which in the Qur'an is meant in the literal/descriptive sense of 'one who has submitted/surrendered to God'. It is never intended as a static label of identification in a foreign language as it is used today.

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2020, 02:58:09 AM »
Peace javed1.

The question that needsto be asked is: What is a "Muslim", according to Qoran:
2:130
Who would forsake the Millat of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
وَمَن يَرغَبُ عَن مِلَّةِ إِبرٰهـۧمَ إِلّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصطَفَينٰهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَإِنَّهُ فِى الـٔاخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصّٰلِحينَ
2:131
When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."
إِذ قالَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ أَسلِم قالَ أَسلَمتُ لِرَبِّ العٰلَمينَ

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38:65″ Say:? I warn you; There is no other god beside GOD, the One, the Supreme.?

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2020, 03:27:41 AM »
That's true. Unfortunately, the identities often lead to a mentality which harbours enmity or hatred.

There are those who enjoy pride, being feared, superiority, enmity and hatred.
As such anything will be used for the above.
But they're still among us that need to be accepted.

'Muslim' is an Arabic word which in the Qur'an is meant in the literal/descriptive sense of 'one who has submitted/surrendered to God'. It is never intended as a static label of identification in a foreign language as it is used today.

True, muslim is a character, from the root slm which means peace.
inner peace can only be attained through acceptance.

Abraham, Jesus, Jesus's disciples / companion were verbosely mentioned as muslim.
All of the above never read Quran, proclaim shahada, pilgrimage to mecca or declare themselves to be a "Muslim" as an identity.




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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2020, 11:37:06 AM »
Has anyone besides me ever wondered why the words
Muslim and Islam are left untranslated in some instances   :hmm
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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2020, 12:04:30 AM »
Has anyone besides me ever wondered why the words
Muslim and Islam are left untranslated in some instances   :hmm

Because the author / translator thinks that "Muslim" and "Islam" are indeed "Identity".
In the same manner as Allah are left untranslated, it's yet another persona / identity.

Yet translating the words might cause issues as well. a good case study for this happened with Jesus story / Gospel. Translated into greek and then latin and then english we found weird words such as "Son of Man", "Father in Heaven", "Son Of God".

Greek, Latin and English language were forged within natively pagan tradition, well so does Arabic language for that matter. The paganistic people see that God as if it is a human king and there are many of them, each God fighting other Gods, hating each others and often at war with each others in an effort of trying to be an ultimate superior God. The God of all the Gods.

Each God then recruited human as followers by creating a religion, and the God get angry if He lose a followers especially if the human joining other religion of other rivaling Gods. As thus such deed is declared as "unforgiven sin" the punishment is death. Such punishment is necessary to strike fear into the heart of the God's followers thus nobody dare to leave His religion and join other rivaling God's religion.

Back to the case study of Jesus story.
Encountering "Son Of God" and "Father", the conception of pagans / polytheists is a human like deity who had a descendant thus also another God called the son of that God called the Father. Well then there's two God already, the God and his son which also a God, no longer one.. Just like Zeus and Hercules..

The confusion of introducing monotheism to natively polytheist society is many converted polytheist  still view "God" with polytheist lenses, the lenses which they're familiar with, the lenses and mindset on which the language being forged . They don't understand on WHY there could only be ONE God in the first place.

They believe that there is only ONE God just because God said so.
And if they don't believe that there is only one God, that God will be angry and will punish them.
Just like the good ol' polytheistic Gods used to do....

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Re: The Masked Labels - Video on the use of religious labels
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2020, 12:34:58 PM »
Peace javed1.

The question that needsto be asked is: What is a "Muslim", according to Qoran:
2:130
Who would forsake the Millat of Abraham, except one who fools his own soul? We have chosen him in this world, and in the Hereafter he will be with the righteous.
وَمَن يَرغَبُ عَن مِلَّةِ إِبرٰهـۧمَ إِلّا مَن سَفِهَ نَفسَهُ وَلَقَدِ اصطَفَينٰهُ فِى الدُّنيا وَإِنَّهُ فِى الـٔاخِرَةِ لَمِنَ الصّٰلِحينَ
2:131
When his Lord said to him, "Submit," he said, "I submit to the Lord of the universe."
إِذ قالَ لَهُ رَبُّهُ أَسلِم قالَ أَسلَمتُ لِرَبِّ العٰلَمينَ

It may be said that many people around the world would qualify as SLM.

 Siin-Lam-Miim = safety/security/freedom/immunity, to escape, salutation/greeting/peace,
deliver/acknowledge, pay in advance, submit, sincerity, humility,
submission/conformance/obedience, resign/quit/relinquish, to be in sound condition,
well without blemish, gentle/tender/soft/elegant. Solomon/Sulaiman.

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