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Peace Imran.

If you say this to me, quote:
About your position, you dnt know and you are sure u dnt know but still you believe and are very sure those verses are not the part of quran..

Then you do not know interlock or mathematics. I can confidently say that the words of my Lords have been locked. It is not about oldest Mushaf or the newest oneA anyone can add or take away words , GOD does not care one iota. It is about GOD s original composition of His book. In fact everything runs as  planned. In other words GOD knew the past and the future and locked His book.

Do you know why there was a civil war after the prophet s death? Have you investigated the reasons? Oldest copy of the victors is no proof.
Otherwise .if the book stayed intact before and after the prophet ,why bother about the preservation? Think about it?
 Preservation means, folks can write what they want, add or take away what they want, It will be obvious and will easily be found out by the Mathematical composition!!!
Their words will not fit in with GOD s words, as simple as that.

On another side, why are you persisting on the position of others if you yourself  do not know or have any evidence?, quote:

About my position, i dont know hence i m not the one who claimed anything..and not interested in knowing too.

I suggest you argue about things that you care about, if you wish.
GOD bless you.
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Then you do not know interlock or mathematics.

peace, since you know then teach him "interlock" show which verse is this, (11) occurrences?

وىل woe ىومىذ day thereof للمكذبىن to those deniers

61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 19 x ...!
61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!

1. gv total - 1694 = 7 x 242
2. sequence #, word size - 1 3 2 5 3 8 = 7 x 18934
3. word size + gv, sequence # - 49 1 771 2 890 3 = 7 x ...!
4. cumulative gv, sequence # - 46 1 812 2 1694 3 = 7 x ...!
5. gv sequence - 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
6. gv-seq, gv-add - 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 1694 = 7 x ...!
7. gv-add, gv-seq - 1694 61030 1064010700 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
8. sequence #, word size, word gv - 1 3 46 2 5 766 3 8 882 = 7 x 7 x 7 x ...!
9. sequence #, word gv, cumulative # letters - 1 46 3 2 766 8 3 882 16 = 7 x ...!
10. sequence #, word gv series - 1 61030 2 1064010700 3 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
11. sequence #, local letter #, word size - 1 1 2 3 3 2 1 2 3 4 5 5 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 8 = 7 x ...!
12. sequence #, word gv, local letter # - 1 46 1 2 3 2 766 1 2 3 4 5 3 882 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 7 x ...!
13. sequence #, cumulative gv, letter # - 1 46 123 2 812 45678 3 1694 910111213141516 = 7 x ...!
14. sequence #, local letter #, cumulative # letters - 1 1 2 3 3 2 1 2 3 4 5 8 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 16 = 7 x ...!
15. sequence #, word size, word gv series - 1 3 61030 2 5 1064010700 3 8 3030402070021050 = 7 x ...!
16. sequence #, cumulative gv, local letter # - 1 46 1 2 3 2 812 1 2 3 4 5 3 1694 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 = 7 x 7 x ...!
17. individual gv, letter #, sequence # - 6 1 10 2 30 3 1 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 2 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 3 = 7 x ...!
18. individual gv, letter #, word gv - 6 1 10 2 30 3 46 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 766 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 882 = 7 x ...!
19. word gv, Individual gv, letter # - 46 6 1 10 2 30 3 766 10 4 6 5 40 6 10 7 700 8 882 30 9 30 10 40 11 20 12 700 13 2 14 10 15 50 16 = 7 x ...!

Likewise, show exact same consistent pattern “interlock” whatever applied for each/every verse.

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Peace Noon.
Already discussed interlock with you many times. Your imitation is futile. Your old mushafs differ why?

You know very well that all the Mus-hafs including the oldest we have today are not written the same way, are they?

The answer is no. All the claims by many famous scholars are false when they claim, that if you compare all Qurans around the world, you can never find any difference. They are different ..
God, however gave us the means to verify which book follows the rules and which does not. If God promised to protect the Quran and preserve it while the Qurans around the world are so different, then there has to be a way, a system, a measure, a verifiable method to check that protection.
After 1974 we know that God gave us that system and with it we can conclude easily which book is protected by God and which book is not.
Or do you say the prophet received your oldest copy? Evidence please? Or he received all the different copies?
GOD bless you.
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Thank you jkhan.

I have not found any alternative explanation of "who is a human" , "why earth and universe exist" and "what should be the aim /objective of the human life"?
I found , so far, only Qoran gives me my answers. By the way Qoran is not my book or any human book like some call it. I found with solid proof that it is GOD s book..

When I ask for an alternative explanation that satisfies both my body and spirit, I am not given any by anyone, only  irrelevant arguments or hostile banter . By contrast, I find GOD s argument in Qoran strong , truthful and an accurate guide to how I should lead this life and succeed.
In fact , no one can explain why we die if we take GOD out of the equation?
I see ,unfortunately, the majority carrying on with the "status quo" of men s systems even though they failed many times and let people down.
But to each to their way and system.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Let’s be more amicable…. Coz everyone has right to take what they feel right, but after exploration and verification…
Okay.. there are many faiths among the human beings when it comes to religions.. They all have reasons to take what they take…
God believers claim that this world or universe or whatever is created and not anything else
Others claim that Nothing was created and there is No such Supernatural power, but all naturalism.. etc etc..
Okay let me not talk about stationary Earth for the sake of different topic…. I know there are many believers they strongly believe what NASA claims to date… let it be… But question to ask from everyone (all humans regardless of faith) to themselves is “why everything (universe for that matter scientifically) came into existence? I won’t ask HOW but WHY? Or Why is this massive universe so accurately tailor-made and also for the appearance of life on Earth, as well very intelligent Human also on it? Why such humans have beginning and ending? Why it is not in anyone’s control? Are these meaningful to anyone? Why we shed tears naturally with feeling in this auto generated Universe while living in an absolutely tiny insignificant mote named Earth? For what purpose we are having a life?
Okay fine deny God .. be satisfied with denial, but why everything originated as modern science claims 13.8 billions of years ago.. And now we see totally a different Earth and living creatures on it...Why it took billions of years to originate creatures on earth after its formation… Why we don’t see any evolution process now? At least a simple process.. What is soul then? For example human body has a Soul ( a living invisible power which operates a physical body with Energy).. where it comes from and enters to the physic of a baby even before its birth? And leaves when it dies? Is dead body and living person same? What separates both is in fact a Soul.. isn’t the soul a sign for us?

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Then you do not know interlock or mathematics.
TRUE teach me please.. Lol

Its appears u yourself dnt know about it and always dodge the questions what NOON brother is asking from you since ages.. Just take your time read his post and understand what he asked its about interlocking i guess lol. Its another matter if its difficult for you to grasp what hes is asking he can  help the people who are weak in math..

May b u need more classes of math lmao just kidding..

You believed you are confident.. ( mind 1)
Others believed you are over-confident (mind 2).

Thats what i was telling you but u never learn lol.

Do you know why there was a civil war after the prophet s death? Have you investigated the reasons?


Next questions

Why there were 1st and 2nd civil wars? ( make it a plural)
Why we need to believe on history accounts of those wars?
Why one account is different than others?


I dnt know because i was not there but you already know because you are a time travelor my bad i forget that lmao  :rotfl:

A cross question from you...

Have you investigate the REPORTS of those investigation reports? Their realibility? Their authenicity?  Perhaps code 19 also works on Hadith accounts to check which hadith is Authentic lmao  :yay:


Oldest copy of the victors is no proof.


Its not a proof Just for you who is in 0.00000001 % minority. So case dismissed, Not from me but from Majority. Lol teach them math but first teach yourself if u dnt wana look funny  :group:

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Peace Imran.
You say, quote:
TRUE teach me please.. Lol

 You come across as intelligent and quite able to teach yourself.

Here is what I researched  and verified with Qoran:( You may have  seen it before)
https://submission.org/verify_preserving_and_protecting_Quran.html

Only be honest with yourself and sincere in checking as some people do not bother and keep their bias and ridicule and do not check facts. . Of course  you need to check the other side.and compare, keeping Qoran as criteria.

At the end of the day, we are not responsible for one another. GOD knows our intention and that is enough for me.

You and me are where we are, this generation. We cannot go back in time nor can we ignore falsehood. Therefore we check according to our faculties and what GOD gave to us in intelligence and knowledge.

Our conclusion needs to be drawn from our own search and hard work, as long as it is done with sincerity and without bias,

I wish you the best in your journey brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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You come across as intelligent and quite able to teach yourself.

Here is what I researched  and verified with Qoran:( You may have  seen it before)
https://submission.org/verify_preserving_and_protecting_Quran.html

peace, where in the article is "interlock" or consistent pattern?
they call “the original” Samarkand late 8th / early 9th century?
why not adjust "all words" accordingly vs one to get a multiple?

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7:69 which was written with Sad, corrected to   written with Seen as in the Tashkent Quran.

 بَسْطَةً with "seen" 2:147 …  وزاده and enhance him (singular) بسطه
بَصْۜطَةًۖ with "saad" 7:69 … وزادكم and enhance you (plural) فى in الخلق the creation بصطه

with “saad” 10th line from top
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/69?handschrift=13

with “saad” 10th line from bottom
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/69?handschrift=56


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The ‘original’ of 20:3 is without nun but the modern version includes it

notice initials 20:1 طه ta ha (together with next verse in old manuscripts)
likewise read in context it cannot be لم lam/not OR  لم lima/for what/why
University of Birmingham: Islamic Arabic 1572 dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/3/handschrift/281

20:3 لمن liman/to whom ىخشى feared 
79:26 لمن liman/to whom ىخشى feared 


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The ‘original’ of 36:20 is missing the Yaa and Nun which the modern version has.
The ‘original’ of 36:21 is missing a Meem which the modern version has

Look closely that part of the text is torn in Samarkand manuscript 
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/36/vers/20?handschrift=141

word correctly spelled with yn المرسلىن (plural)
word cannot be missing yn i.e. المرسل (singular)
7th line from top read in context 36:14 - 36:21
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/36/vers/20?handschrift=107


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In the ‘original’ the letter form for fa or qaf is present in 19:72 whereas the letter nun occurs in the modern versions
no such word exists; see 10th line from bottom
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/19/vers/72?handschrift=163
19:72 ونذر and we leave الظلمىن the wrongdoers فىها therein جثىا crouching


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The ‘original’ of 20:108 is without seen which is in the modern version.

no such word without “seen” exists
20:108 … فلا so not تسمع thou hear الا except همسا hamsan/whisper of
6th line from bottom Arabe 328 (c) dated 568-645 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/108?handschrift=158


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The ‘original’ of 20:79 has nun whereas the modern version has yaa

1st line at bottom; read in context cannot be with N as in 6:80 هدن hadani/guide me
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/20/vers/79/handschrift/107


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In the ‘original’ , 38:26 is without yaa whereas the modern version has one

7th line from bottom last word -- read in context "ya" required
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/38/vers/26?handschrift=163
38:26 ولا and not تتبع thou follow الهوى the desire فىضلك fayudillaka/so “it/ya” misguide you

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There is an extra yaa in 2:15 in the modern 1924 Egyptian Arabic EDITION

2:15 ىستهزى mocked (spelled with ya)
see same manuscript 4th line from top 2:14 مستهزىون who mocking (with ya)
5th line from bottom -- also see (14) occurrences ىستهزىون mocking (with ya)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/15?handschrift=428


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The ‘original’ of 18:83 has the letter meem that was replaced by the letters nun and yaa in the modern version.

7th line from top last word 18:94 القرنىن (same manuscript spelled correctly) https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/94/handschrift/141

3rd line from bottom
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/18/vers/83?handschrift=107


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The pronoun huwa [he] is present in the Tashkent-Samarqand ‘original’ of 2:284, whereas the modern Arabic version has the word Allah!!

2:284 والله 
10th line from top -- Cairo, National Library: qāf 47 dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/284?handschrift=73


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In the modern version of 2:57 a word "Alykum" appears which is not in the ‘original’

2:57 وظللنا and shades we of علىكم upon you الغمام the clouds …
3rd line from top: https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/2/vers/57?handschrift=163


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In the ‘original’ an alif in 5:99 was replaced in the the modern Arabic version with yaa.

read in context cannot be as in 28:4 علا exalt فى in الارض the land
8th line from the bottom at middle
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/5/vers/99?handschrift=163
5:99 ما not على upon الرسول the messenger الا except البلغ the conveyance
24:54, 29:18 وما and not على upon الرسول the messenger الا except البلغ the conveyance

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In the ‘original’ of 6:11, the letter lam precedes the mim whereas in the modern version a letter tha is in its place.

read in context it cannot be the word لم lam/not … 11th line from top at middle
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/6/vers/11?handschrift=204
6:11 قل say سىروا travel ye of فى in الارض the land ثم thumma/furthermore انظروا observes ye of

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In the ‘original’ of 7:27 there are the letters meem and nun, which are not in the modern Arabic version.

3rd line from bottom: no من min/of as in 7:20 عنهما about them dual من min/of سوتهما shame theirs dual
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/7/vers/27/handschrift/56
7:27 لىرىهما to show them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual
7:22 لهما for them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual
20:121 لهما for them dual سوتهما shame theirs dual



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Peace Noon.
Of course all these mistakes that you keep referring back to "original" . What original?
The only original that can verify your case properly is the prophet s copy. Have you got it?
Otherwise you are dealing with copies that have mistakes , all of them, including what you keep calling "original".
GOD bless you.
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