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Sensing the Creator
« on: November 30, 2019, 09:52:16 PM »
Does everyone have the innate sense of his or her Creator? Is everyone guided naturally when they start to walk and think ? If we read the book/s of God what we see basically is to do good and avoid evil.... Is this naturally inbuilt ?

Knowledge of Right and Wrong... Is it inborn nature for everyone.... What do right and wrong depict within ourself?
Why every human naturally sense before doing a wrong thing (minor or major) that it is wrong thing to do and still doing with that sense knowing the outcome.. He feels guilty after doing it and hide it. So he knows naturally it doesn't befit.. . .even children have the same sense before doing a wrong thing be it big or small the act... ......
Why when every human does a good thing he feels he is right and the thing he does is good for human nature...he never tempt to feel afraid in doing good... Why we have this amazing nature within ourself without reading any book....? Who guided this way to us... Why don't we have to learn right and wrong from a teacher?
Has God guided us even before we approach His book?  Once we reach His book it only confirms and augment our level?
Let's see below verse...

76:2-3 "Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture that We may TRY him; and We made him hearing and seeing. Indeed, We GUIDED him to the way, be he GRATEFUL or be he UNGRATEFUL."

God says, Main purpose of creation is for TESTING us... and further says We have been GUIDED the way (all) ....WHY??  to be GRATEFUL or to be UNGRATEFUL... So guided all human regardless of their faith.. With that inborn guidance God expects Gratefulness from us...
This is without a book.. Remember...
Is this possible without a book? Yes it is.... Coz as I said above God has guided us without book first... That's RIGHT and WRONG within self sense...
Can we control and maintain them? there we need beyond mere right and wrong... That's Faith and fear of God and His punishment..
Though we know right and wrong within ourself we tempt to deviate with the love of this world's materials coz we don't believe beyond what we perceive when faith fails..
When we don't have faith, we still know the wrong and right path but we neglect coz we take them as weapon for our own augmentation in life...

You can't commit a sin or crime or whatever bad unless you already know to yourself that it is WRONG..... why those who commited such a thing lies always coz of they have been given the knowledge inborn what is right and wrong...

So no-one in the first place can deny that they are not guided naturally .... So they erred against their inborn nature ..  That's God's great way...  So those who deviated from natural path is lost even after knowing two paths manifestly ... They can't complain....

There may be another group... Who obeyed his nature... By avoiding wrong and accepting good... But they may be deviated still from faith... I mean they rejected God.... What made them to avoid wrong and do good and still reject God... Can they be guided without book with inborn nature ?
Strangely such people always have any sort of human invented ancient belief and they stick with it...

For example
A.. any religious group who deny God and practice a religion.. Probably Budhists, etc ..

B.... any religious group who claims accepting the God and still they don't without knowledge... Probably conventional Christians and Muslims even Hindus ...

C....  Atheists... No God.. No life after... This is also a belief...

In all above group there could be very good people.. I mean who avoid wrong and do good.. .. Simply stick with inborn guidance...
As well,  in all above, there could be who don't avoid wrong and don't even do good.. (such have no excuse... Coz they went against natural sense which has the capacity to know right and wrong and against their own faith or religion)

Do all the above(ABC) know that they are wrong when it comes to faith ?  How come they knew their natural sense and avoided wrong and they failed to perceive God's victorious path.... How can they be so unfortunate?
Are these whose hearts are sealed so they don't perceive? 
They perceive right from wrong but fails to perceive truth ultimately ...

Then the final group is Believers....
They sense right and wrong naturally and maintain them.. While they believe in God and that too with certainty.  .. They obey their Creator and not equal anything...
Why believers are different from normal good people... Coz they truly do good and not for show off and not for situations and benefit of life....
Remember God only promises the Janna for believers....and not for merely good people... That's key...so believers are a group who has really got the Mercy of the Creator.. Mercy of being chosen slaves who obey God... So this Mercy only separated the believers from others... Coz God knew our soul before blowing into physical bodies..
31:34 " Indeed, Allah has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted"

So God knows what is actually inside a womb... He knows how that soul act once delivered and where he ends... So Mercy is something we drag from our womb... soul is predestined based on its own nature... For example Isa, Musa, Yahya.. Is'haq, Ya'kub etc... Did they become good souls or were they in fact good souls before physical birth..... They were already good souls... Mercy destined based on soul.. God knew while they were in the wombs... For example Isa.. God knew what is growing in the womb and his destiny... It's not anything that happens after birth... Even musa.. God knew why he put musa in river while he was baby .... God knew the soul when He promised Yahya for zakaria... God knew when He promised Is'haq for Ibrahim.. Such things won't change... So souls are born with what they deserved... It is not that God was partial by making a soul good... God didn't make the soul of Is'haq good even before he was born... But soul of Is'haq was good so he was born good..
That's Mercy... That's what God knew what malaika didn't know...

So we were alive somewhere I hope.. And were given a physical life here but failed to be grateful to God and continued our same way before this physical life...

That's why no-one in the day of judgment claims  "IT IS SO UNFAIR PUNISHING THEM" ...it seems they all agree the decision of God... Otherwise human is ever ready to argue....

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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2019, 03:36:05 AM »
Brother jkhan
Are you saying what I think here:

This life ( another chapter after our past life) is a demonstration to the loyal souls(Malaika) those who never doubted "GOD Alone rule" and to all souls -The rebellious souls-that there are other good souls among the rebellious kind that deserve His mercy /another chance .That is the reason/purpose GOD created all this ,
GOD assigns the souls to each generations according to HIS knowledge of each one and is proving this fact to all the souls by recording their  life during this time.
Each soul will have their own record of this life as well as past record to be absolutely certain of their own reckoning..
That is what I got from your useful post, if that is the case, I agree.
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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2019, 08:12:24 PM »
Brother jkhan
Are you saying what I think here:

This life ( another chapter after our past life) is a demonstration to the loyal souls(Malaika) those who never doubted "GOD Alone rule" and to all souls -The rebellious souls-that there are other good souls among the rebellious kind that deserve His mercy /another chance .That is the reason/purpose GOD created all this ,
GOD assigns the souls to each generations according to HIS knowledge of each one and is proving this fact to all the souls by recording their  life during this time.
Each soul will have their own record of this life as well as past record to be absolutely certain of their own reckoning..
That is what I got from your useful post, if that is the case, I agree.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace GL..

Thank you...
My aim is to know by this thread is whether God is just on everyone.... In fact He is... it takes time to perceive certain things in life... Amazingly, God teaches us always, when we intent to seek from God...

Yes.. brother... i think we should have had a life before this physical life .... that's the only option as i sense within myself with quranic understanding ... may be some others have other ways of perceiving it...

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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2019, 10:03:19 PM »
Peace everyone....

Do our 5 senses good enough to sense the Creator... we know we are naturally aware of basic right and wrong ... but our 5 senses make us sense the The Creator's presence regardless of any religious books or learning... My aim here is to completely get a picture whether God is just before punishing anyone.. can everyone feel the God but still they negate like they negate knowing the right from wrong and still persist in doing wrong...

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 08:52:35 PM »
My aim is to know by this thread is whether God is just on everyone.... In fact He is... it takes time to perceive certain things in life... Amazingly, God teaches us always, when we intent to seek from God...

God is not merely on (or more correctly also IN) everyone, He's in everything.
Correct... He teaches everything ALWAYS and gives answers ALWAYS.
But the intent and the questions need to came from ourselves.

Thus don't be afraid to ask questions on anything, yet be prepared to receive not so pleasing answers as well.
By "not so pleasing" here is: the answer is not inline to what you've expect the answers to be.

God is not a 'bully' and/or human king with ego problems who get mad and angry at anyone who dare to ask questions.

My aim here is to completely get a picture whether God is just before punishing anyone..

God is not punishing anyone, it's the ego who sometimes put the veil of sufferings upon the soul.


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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 10:57:04 PM »

God is not punishing anyone, it's the ego who sometimes put the veil of sufferings upon the soul.

Peace brother...
I am not here to judge you... But out of curiosity I asked certain questions.. Be who you are...  Coz that's what happens to every individual... Anyhow I believe in God and his power and his punishment... And his resurrection...
So I wish God guide you...

The above statement you say that God is not punishing anyone.. That's far from truth... God Himself claim I destroyed such and such community and claiming He did it and proudly states that "How was my punishment "...  Aren't they human who got punished... And He asks us to learn from those punishment...
I wonder how you say God not punish anyone... And the greater punishment is on the verge waiting for us.. Only way to escape is to obey God... Isn't that your belief? Lol I still ask question..

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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2019, 11:22:37 PM »
I am not here to judge you... But out of curiosity I asked certain questions.. Be who you are...  Coz that's what happens to every individual... Anyhow I believe in God and his power and his punishment... And his resurrection...
So I wish God guide you...

Same here, and I do believe you will be.. it just a matter of time...

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The above statement you say that God is not punishing anyone.. That's far from truth... God Himself claim I destroyed such and such community and claiming He did it and proudly states that "How was my punishment "...  Aren't they human who got punished... And He asks us to learn from those punishment...
I wonder how you say God not punish anyone... And the greater punishment is on the verge waiting for us.. Only way to escape is to obey God... Isn't that your belief?

A strange "God" that you have there...
God who are PROUD and who are seems to enjoy giving out PUNISHMENT to it's own creation and design.
God who seems to DISTANT itself and UNATTACHED to it's own creation and design.
God who DOES NOT HAVE CONTROL over it's own creation and design and to ensure that this God still maintain control over it's own creation and design it spread FEAR and THREAT for those who dare to disobey it's command.

I'm not sure about you, but to me this God seems to be a fake God, a pretender to be God.
And given the appearance of PRIDE, DIS-ATTACHMENT and urge to TAKE CONTROL of other creatures by spreading FEAR to them, I might have some idea on who or what this fake God is.

And by the way, that's the common view about gods and goddesses during pagan era...

Advice:
- Control your own fear, because that's how they try to take control of you; through fear, and start your own questioning by disregarding your own fear. As mentioned above, the questioning need to come from within not from outside.
- There's no need to defend your own opinion, such urge is actually coming from the ego within you as it has attached itself to such opinion. (My opinion is right your/their opinion is wrong, my opinion is superior compared to your/their opinion, I will survive you/their will not survive)





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Re: Sensing the Creator
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2019, 09:07:45 AM »
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I'm not sure about you, but to me this God seems to be a fake God, a pretender to be God.
And given the appearance of PRIDE, DIS-ATTACHMENT and urge to TAKE CONTROL of other creatures by spreading FEAR to them, I might have some idea on who or what this fake God is.



All I can say I am not in your track... Never want to be  ... But keep researching the truth... God guides whom He wills.   Even God sent messengers to King pharoa ... So keep searching if you love truth...
Coz you call Fake God... To call the creator of everything fake,  you must be having the opposite of fake.. Isn't it?  Even if you say evolution... You can't prove anything...
If you wish you can open any topic from your view point,  in sha Allah I will prove such logic is baseless..

God bless you.. Oops.. At least fake god bless you.  😂 lol

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2019, 06:19:14 PM »
All I can say I am not in your track... Never want to be  ... But keep researching the truth... God guides whom He wills.   Even God sent messengers to King pharoa ... So keep searching if you love truth...
Coz you call Fake God... To call the creator of everything fake,  you must be having the opposite of fake.. Isn't it?  Even if you say evolution... You can't prove anything...
If you wish you can open any topic from your view point,  in sha Allah I will prove such logic is baseless..

God bless you.. Oops.. At least fake god bless you.  😂 lol

Let me explain further on Fake God claim...
Brother... If God depicted in Quran is fake then more than claiming the God fake it is better to claim the one who brought One God to then society is fake.. That is to say Mohamed is fake.. Coz he is the one verbally spread the God's message to his community of this Quran... Since your claim the God is fake then representing God's messenger (MOHAMED also should be fake)  ..without Mohamed this Quran was not delivered to people... Since you already claimed God is fake then this book cannot be for sure from God.. So Mohamed invented for his personal reasons... .. Since God is fake Mohamed is not God's Messenger.. He is ultimately fake... So.. Quran is fake.. But.. If quran is fake then Mohamed must have been the best ever human in the earth to produce it... So.. One of the challenge of Mohamed is as per you is produce a chapter like he produced... He produced 114 of them but he challenged to produce only one.. Why is it so hard for anyone ...shame.  .. Of course.   It was not a challenge to current Day people but while MOHAMED was alive.. Coz he was the one making the challenge since God is fake for you.... Even one made such a chapter, who will aprove it is wrong.... So the challenge could only be accepted while mohamed was alive with a debate... So reply would have come from God precisely denying the chapter produced... Pointing flaws... But dude.. No one brought so... Nothing stated in Quran... So.. Mohamed doesn't seem fake.. Mohamed seems he spoke truth... So did his God...fake is the heart of those who claim so without evidences constituted ...