Why are a lot of disbelievers always so rich and seem to have it all

[Sarah]

Peace

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...

Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

'So when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We opened to them the doors of every [good] thing until, when they rejoiced in that which they were given, We seized them suddenly, and they were [then] in despair.' 6:44

Although believers can still be blessed in this life, they can't be as blessed as a disbeliever in the external (not internal/ spiritual) aspects of their life? Am I correct to assume this or is it more of a traditional line of thought to go by?

Because on the other hand, believers can also be blessed in this life plus some people who are disbelievers also do not seem to have many blessings:

'Those who believed and were fearing Allah' 10:63

'For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah . That is what is the great attainment.' 10:64

Although apparently Queen Rania of Jordan follows the Qur'an alone but who knows how dedicated she really is I guess...

[seekingtruth1111]

Peace

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...

Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

Although apparently Queen Rania of Jordan follows the Qur'an alone but who knows how dedicated she really is I guess...

Peace Sarah

I think that would be a wrong assumption. Also we should not generalize  disbelievers.For example you mentioned celebrities. You never know for sure who is believer or not. We are all in different situations. Great wealth/power/prosperity/good look comes with great responsibility.


King Solomon was blessed and tested with wealth. So true believers can be blessed with wealth.

38:31 When, during dusk, well trained horses were displayed before him.
38:32 He said, "I enjoyed the good of materials more than I enjoyed remembering my Lord, until it became totally dark!"*
38:33 "Send them back." He then rubbed their legs and necks.
38:34 We tested Solomon and placed a corpse on his throne, but he then repented.
38:35 He said, "My Lord, forgive me, and grant me a kingship that will never be attained by anyone after me. You are the Grantor."

Wealth is a test as well as poverty.

20:131 Do not strain your eyes on what We have given other people as luxuries of this worldly life. We are testing them with it; and the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting.

3:186 We will test you with your wealth and with yourselves, and you will hear from those who have been given the book before you and from those who set up partners much annoyance. If you strive and be aware, then these are affairs of great resolve.

89:15 As for man, if his Lord tests him and grants him much, then he says: "My Lord has blessed me!"
89:16 And if his Lord tests him and gives him little wealth, then he says: "My Lord has humiliated me!"

We are tested with good and bad things.


7:168 We divided them through the land as nations. From them are the reformed, and from them are other than that. We tested them with good things and bad, perhaps they will return.
21:35 Every person will taste death. We burden you with evil and good as a test, and it is to Us that you will return.


Those who prove their conviction and dedication to God alone by successfully passing through a series of tests attain happiness both in this world and in the hereafter.

10:64 For them are glad tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. There is no changing the words of God. Such is the supreme success.
16:30 It was said to those who were righteous: "What has your Lord sent down?" They said, "All goodness." For those who have done good in this world there is good, and the Hereafter is even better. Excellent indeed is the home of the righteous.


Peace

[good logic]

Peace Sarah.
GOD assigns the provision  according to His  knowledge of our inner thoughts and according to how we are tested.:
43:32
Are they the ones who assign your Lord's mercy? We have assigned their shares in this life, raising some of them above others in ranks, in order to let them serve one another. The mercy from your Lord is far better than any material they may hoard.
أَهُم يَقسِمونَ رَحمَتَ رَبِّكَ نَحنُ قَسَمنا بَينَهُم مَعيشَتَهُم فِى الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَرَفَعنا بَعضَهُم فَوقَ بَعضٍ دَرَجٰتٍ لِيَتَّخِذَ بَعضُهُم بَعضًا سُخرِيًّا وَرَحمَتُ رَبِّكَ خَيرٌ مِمّا يَجمَعونَ

Also GOD explains why the majority of people that are not rich and famous are blessed (in disguise):
43:33
If it were not that all the people might become one (disbelieving) congregation, we would have granted everyone who disbelieves in the Most Gracious mansions with silver roofs, and stairs upon which they could climb.
وَلَولا أَن يَكونَ النّاسُ أُمَّةً وٰحِدَةً لَجَعَلنا لِمَن يَكفُرُ بِالرَّحمٰنِ لِبُيوتِهِم سُقُفًا مِن فِضَّةٍ وَمَعارِجَ عَلَيها يَظهَرونَ
43:34
Their mansions would have impressive gates, and luxurious furnishings.
وَلِبُيوتِهِم أَبوٰبًا وَسُرُرًا عَلَيها يَتَّكِـٔونَ
43:35
Also many ornaments. All these are the temporary materials of this lowly life. The Hereafter - at your Lord - is far better for the righteous.
وَزُخرُفًا وَإِن كُلُّ ذٰلِكَ لَمّا مَتٰعُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَالـٔاخِرَةُ عِندَ رَبِّكَ لِلمُتَّقينَ

The main thing for those who believe rich or poor is to follow GOD s message and the straight path.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[good logic]

Peace Sarah.
I also meant to add that it does not depend on whether we are rich or poor . It depends on our priority:

17:18
Anyone who chooses this fleeting life as his priority, we will rush to him what we decide to give him, then we commit him to Gehenna, where he suffers forever, despised and defeated.
مَن كانَ يُريدُ العاجِلَةَ عَجَّلنا لَهُ فيها ما نَشاءُ لِمَن نُريدُ ثُمَّ جَعَلنا لَهُ جَهَنَّمَ يَصلىٰها مَذمومًا مَدحورًا

The Hereafter is the right priority to concentrate on:

17:19
As for those who choose the Hereafter as their priority, and work righteousness, while believing, their efforts will be appreciated.
وَمَن أَرادَ الـٔاخِرَةَ وَسَعىٰ لَها سَعيَها وَهُوَ مُؤمِنٌ فَأُولٰئِكَ كانَ سَعيُهُم مَشكورًا
17:20
For each one of them we provide; we provide for those and these from your Lord's bounties. Your Lord's bounties are inexhaustible.
كُلًّا نُمِدُّ هٰؤُلاءِ وَهٰؤُلاءِ مِن عَطاءِ رَبِّكَ وَما كانَ عَطاءُ رَبِّكَ مَحظورًا
17:21
Note how some are preferred  above others (in this life). The differences in the Hereafter are far greater and far more significant.
انظُر كَيفَ فَضَّلنا بَعضَهُم عَلىٰ بَعضٍ وَلَلـٔاخِرَةُ أَكبَرُ دَرَجٰتٍ وَأَكبَرُ تَفضيلًا

Satisfaction seems key . May the Lord make us satisfied with what we have especially if it is very little.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Jane]

A lot of rich people only got rich because they stole or hoarded wealth and/or they extort money from people. Or they abuse the natural resources or animals. 

The shallow enjoyment but eventual misery that comes from these and then the eternal punishment...are you really envious of it. Rich people often live in fear that they are going to have their weath taken from them as well which can't be a good way to live.

[hawk99]

Peace

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...

Yes sarah, from your perspective they "seem" to
have it all.

Peace Sarah

I think that would be a wrong assumption. Also we should not generalize disbelievers. For example you mentioned celebrities. You never know for sure who is believer or not.

agreed

A lot of rich people only got rich because they stole or hoarded wealth and/or they extort money from people. Or they abuse the natural resources or animals. 

Or traded their dignity for wealth!

Peace Sarah.
I also meant to add that it does not depend on whether we are rich or poor . It depends on our priority:

I agree


                                               

[Amra94]

9:85 And let not their wealth and their children impress you. God only intends to punish them through them in this world and that their souls should depart [at death] while they are disbelievers.

They are distracted by worldly things and do not spend in God's cause. Having wealth is also a test to show if you're humble or arrogant bcs a lot of people think they're the ones that got rich on their own cause they worked hard. God is the One who restricts and gives provisions to whom He wills without account.

[jkhan]

Peace Sara....

2:269 "He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given MUCH GOOD. And none will remember except those of understanding."

Try to gain knowledge and pray for bestowing knowledge and wisdom from God... by having it you will have ALL THE GOOD in this world... That would satisfy you immensely.... Mere material riches won't help anyone the long course of the life... When God said MUCH GOOD... it means beyond material riches... If one is bestowed with wisdom, how can he be given MUCH GOOD, if he remains so poor in life.... MUCH GOOD includes material riches as well..

7:188  "Say: 'I have no power to profit for myself; or hurt, but as God will. Had I knowledge of the Unseen I would have ACQUIRED MUCH GOOD, and EVIL WOULD NOT HAVE TOUCHED ME. I am only a warner, and a bearer of good tidings, to a people believing."

What you get by these verses dear Sara.... If you wish, then wish for knowledge and wisdom... that would keep you away from all evil thoughts, then peace creeps into life and with knowledge we won't fail to gain materials of this world which is mandatory to survival... But if we had all the materials of this world we won't be happy unless our innate self be satisfied with it...Abundance of riches God created... we have to approach with wisdom...be thankful in time of good and bad..God tests every human being... test could be on any path...So no one is left out mentally and physically from God's test (Be he rich or poor)...Only the believer will succeed.. and not merely the one who has riches...we will fail if we perceive that riches of this world could give us better life...Yes it would have been if it is eternal...
Btw cannot agree that only disbelievers have more material riches..
I don't see within Quran any of the prophet being poor throughout his lifetime ....God changed their life to better... Patience is key....

[Sarah]

Peace!

Thanks for all the answers people, they were good and made me think 

[Cerberus]

A lot of people assume the following

- being rich in terms of money and possession is a positive thing
- being poor in terms of money and possession is a negative thing

And they are made to think like this, it's an illusion because people love money and possession. Therefore the value comes from our love of it.

[imrankhawaja]

And they are made to think like this, it's an illusion because people love money and possession.

Therefore the value comes from our love of it.

We TRAINED to love it due to some reasons.

We TRAINED to value it as well for the sake of same reasons.

Example

Shelter, eating, wearing, travelling, education require MONEY to aquire those necessities.

If we go against to love money or value money we considered as " big losers " or who are not seriouse "TOWARDS" their lives.

Also with the help of money one can get "authority" to control/employee other individuals what make people feel like king/leader over them.

Crimes most of them related with money due to the concept of getting success on shortcut basis.

Even author of Quran threats people with MONEY.

Examples

* we will test you with money and fear of loss.
* its God who make someone rich or poor.
* its god who restrict someone welath or give a lot to whoever he wish.
* its God who made ranks among people so that one can take advantage/work/service from others.

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

[Jafar]

For example a lot of celebrities seem to have it all- wealth, health, beauty, friends heck even closer relationships with their families sometimes too...
Am I right to assume God wouldn't ever give all this to that extent to a true believer in this life?

Because God gives His blessings to everything.

1.Are you questioning this because of envy?
2.And you think you are truer believer than the 'celebrities'?

My advice is to workout on #1 and #2, because that's what matter.
Envy and pride are the cause of (self-inducted) sufferings.

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

Correct it's all merely an illusion.
The question is not how much/many that you have, but what you are doing with what you have.

[Cerberus]

That illusion is triggered by religious books and forefathers.

No, it's a human instinct to love possession in the like of animals. This "illusion" you can only tell it's an illusion once you start thinking about everything with reason.

The more people that know you, the better you feel about yourself and the more you value what they say about you.
The more things you own, the better you feel about yourself and the more you are worried not to lose those things.
etc etc. Such people are only about how they feel about themselves. They do not reason.

[imrankhawaja]

No, it's a human instinct to love possession in the like of animals. This "illusion" you can only tell it's an illusion once you start thinking about everything with reason.

Correct it's all merely an illusion.
The question is not how much/many that you have, but what you are doing with what you have.

Thats the problem with money illusion... We are not sure what to do with what we have...

In some cases money value is in (- ve) i.e shape of loan, overdraft or borrow from someone.
We are struggling in those situations and creditors are giving us hard time.

That illusion is a big reality of todays world we must make ourself capable of earning money at the scales in which we are not struggling.

Whats the soulution of that ILLUSION?
Can we afford to come out from that illusion? (When we already experienced the conditions of those who lack in money.)

When a human start his life at school he/she trained to become someone who can earn lot some of money.so that he/she recognise as a successful one. Importance of earning money is injected in human brain how heart pumps blood to body.

Although i agree when one thinks and rethink about the money its absolutely a big illusion.
I see some people spend whole life chasing the TARGETS related with money and when they finished chasing the targets they realised they lost the life or wasted the life chasing those targets.

Some people are successful and some get unsuccessful in chasing targets but they never lived their lives end result is same whatever they chase they left behind and burried empty handed.

Some people worried more to protect that money what they chase along with those who are also worried to generate a bread or medicine for sick child..

Package of FEAR is applied on everybody i.e money chaser, money maker, money loser and money seeker.

Money is lifeless thing but appears it controls all the life. Lol

[good logic]

Well, I suppose religious books and other than "me" are responsible for all the mess and wickedness that exists in this world!
Sorry I  need to correct the wrong statement above:

Me and me alone is responsible for the mess I put myself in and the wickedness that I practice often. Of course it is easy for me to blame religious books or make a fortune books or pornography books or ...Any type of book and other people dead or alive.

My instinct /ego always tells me I am right, I am good, I am reasonable, I am clever,I am... Somebody else is screwing up this world never "me"
Me I can work it out and I am not slfish or greedy. I earn things through my cleverness and...

Guys I have to come clean and speak the truth. Everything bad that happened to me was my own fault. I try my best to be good or as good as can be, but my other instinct keeps pushing at me from all angles ,sometimes it even catches me unaware and I find myself pushed to wickedness and despair.
I am to blame for a lot of the mess and wickedness. Blame me if you want.
GOD bless you all.
Peace.

[Jafar]

My instinct /ego always tells me I am right, I am good, I am reasonable, I am clever,I am... Somebody else is screwing up this world never "me"
Me I can work it out and I am not slfish or greedy. I earn things through my cleverness and...

I'm / we are right and you / they're wrong..
I'm / we are superior and you / they're inferior.
My / our book are superior and your / their book are inferior.
My / our race are superior and your / their race are inferior.
My / our football team are superior and your / their football team are inferior.
My / our people are blessed and your / their people are cursed.
My / our religion is the truest religion and your / their religion is falsehood.
etc.. etc.. etc..

That's how ego tries to manifest itself.... striving for existence and superiority...

To control the ego, one need to understand what it is in the first place.

What Is The Ego?
https://youtu.be/M_C5Cua9VL8

Guys I have to come clean and speak the truth. Everything bad that happened to me was my own fault. I try my best to be good or as good as can be, but my other instinct keeps pushing at me from all angles ,sometimes it even catches me unaware and I find myself pushed to wickedness and despair.
I am to blame for a lot of the mess and wickedness. Blame me if you want.
GOD bless you all.

No it's not your fault, and it's nobody's fault as well.
Something 'bad' need to happened in order for you to recognize it, there's a lesson to learn in every event.
Even if you can wind down the time, every event will play out as it is.

Thus no need to blame anyone or yourselves..
That's how ego play out, ego plays leveraging guilt.. once guilt triggered it will need to blame.

The choice is either blaming yourselves or blaming others.. both are not a good option.

On guilt and its relation to the ego
https://youtu.be/-7-xfpF1rxQ

[good logic]

Peace jafar.
Of course you tube has its answers. I take what is best. from any source using GOD s message as criteria.
So thank you for the link. But I pass on "GOD needs to know itself as the purpose" through the creation!!!!.  I thought GOD knows everything?

There are confusing aspects to the video and some good aspects to it in my opinion.

Many are trying to explain our evolving through the ages,I would like someone to explain the message of Qoran in the 7th century. It must have been 1000 s of years ahead of its time? This book answers consciousness better than any I have seen.
Thank you anyway.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Jafar]

Peace jafar.
Of course you tube has its answers. I take what is best. from any source using GOD s message as criteria.
So thank you for the link. But I pass on "GOD needs to know itself as the purpose" through the creation!!!!.  I thought GOD knows everything?

Since God created everything, does not that also implies all message is God's message?

And YouTube is merely a medium, among trillions of other medium.
You think something is not "God message" merely because of the medium?

There are confusing aspects to the video and some good aspects to it in my opinion.

Of course, confused is a good sign, it means the thinking is in progress...

Many are trying to explain our evolving through the ages,I would like someone to explain the message of Qoran in the 7th century. It must have been 1000 s of years ahead of its time? This book answers consciousness better than any I have seen.

Is it "This Book" or is it "God" that give out the answer?

And why not ask God for any inquiries that you might have?
You might be surprised on the varieties of channels for the answer that you shall receive..

[good logic]

Peace jafar.
You say, quote:
Is it "This Book" or is it "God" that give out the answer?

I ll say It was Allah through a book. While I agree there are also other mediums, those who contradict the message are passing on false.
messages.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Sarah]

@Jafar

'Since God created everything, does not that also implies all message is God's message?'

No because many messages out there would contradict each other:

Christians: Worship Jesus
Muslims: Worship God
Many Christians: God will forgive you anyway so it's okay to sin from time to time
Buddhists: karma will get you for everything- good or bad so be careful
Atheists: There's no God, you only live once.

Too many opposing views for it all to be from God. If it's all from God then it would be contradictory and nonsensical.

[imrankhawaja]

At this point one need to make some catagories..

1 who claimed we have true message of God.
2 who claimed we dnt have any message from God. All mesaages are from human.
3 who claimed our God is true God hence his message is true. Rest of the Gods are false as well. As the messages.

4 do we have a TRUE message from TRUE God? ( only valid if God himself send it from his mobile to your mobile) with the option of verification in hand.

Option 4 never happened to anyone lived in human history..

All humans recieved their message either from angels or from prophets or from forefathers who claimed its been sent by God..

When situation like this happen then its natural to have a flavours of relgions and also sub-religions within one religion.


5 perhaps all we can see is his message but some of them we can unlock and some of them are still locked. The way he send message is unique only known by him.

6 thought created God and then thought worshipped what thought has created. Different thoughts created different Gods. (in all manmade gods there is a glimpse of worldly KING).

7 WHAT IF God is not really interested sending any message to any people perhaps in billions of galaxies and multiverse in billions cycles of time illusion on repeated basis in all parallel universes.

8 what if nothing exist at first place what we know as God. If 1st God come into being why not 2nd 3rd 4th can come by same method? (for the thinkers who wana take God as organisation instead of indivudual) singular vs plural?

9 we dnt know and there is not a possibility to know who/what/how is God?

[imrankhawaja]

On guilt and its relation to the ego
https://youtu.be/-7-xfpF1rxQ

The person in this video i like the way he thinks and i seen Lot of his Videos worth listening to this person krishnamurti.

Krishnamurti and osho were some of the splendid scholars of india.

[Jafar]

@Jafar

'Since God created everything, does not that also implies all message is God's message?'

No because many messages out there would contradict each other:

Then God do NOT created everything?
God created some of things out of everything?