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jkhan

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Does God look for satisfaction?
« on: November 12, 2019, 04:45:09 AM »
Peace everyone....

Does God has satisfaction?. I am wondering does God get satisfied by filling the Hell with human and Jinn.. while let some indulge in Janna .....
Why fire? Is that right option?
Can we call it kind of revenge from men and jinn for not obeying Him using His Power against powerless human...the description of hell in Quran seems beyond anything of this world's punishment...  Can human and jinn bear that in hell...  Do they really deserve to go through a punishment to that grave extent for merely born in this world out of nowhere. ..
Are people rightly informed about this punishment to evade and obey God.. Do they really know that they are heading to a horrible life once they died...
Is God fair in letting know everyone equally in advance during everyone's life time that this is the consequences that we have to go through if we deny Him....
As believers we know God is just.  .. But are these people aware in fact such devastating everlasting life is waiting for them...  Had they seriously known in black and white would they still deny God.  ..
Hasn't God called they wandering in their doubt.    Why they should  be in doubt... When we mingle with people.  We don't find them as bad as brutal murderers..do they? Most of the people are just simple people living a life... But definitely most of them not accept God... Other than that they are decent people... That's what I and you see in society... So... Why not this same Quran is not among every community translated from God Himself....
Do you think as a human that God is fair enough before taking the life of human and destine him to hell.    We know only those who are very unfortunate will end up in hell.  ..but it seems lots of people according to verses of God.... Where things went wrong for them...
Suppose in court people judged as murderers and go through prison life sometimes for life time or get capital punishment... So they got already their punishment what  they deserve for their act.... But will that person go to hell for what he did... In case he didn't reform in prison and just lived eating and drinking and passed time to death... If God's punishment is pending why punish the culprit here also....
Is human more kindful than God?.... Why I am posing is coz....
When one day I see a family her daughter was murdered  .. They need justice... What they wanted the life of the murderer... That is evidently fair.. Right... Not more than that... They want him to be hanged.   No need torture him or anything... Only need life for life....
But... God's punishment is not same as human revenge.... God's revenge is ever lasting and fire...  Live in fire and  go through a life I can't imagine that I would be able to.... But that is what every one who is boarded in hell has to suffer... Do you think human would do such torture like God to even one kill his own daughter... Hard to imagine... Isn't it?
But God will.. And definitely will...
At the same time God is kind that no human would ever can show... This is the big contrasting difference ...
Why God is so angry for not obeying Him...from the time of Iblees . How come God has two different features love and revenge....  Doesn't it show that God created this earth and with immense purpose to show His Supreme power by keeping us as His slaves.... Remember He doesn't have beginning... So.. He was alone for infinity time and at certain point He intended this creation and ruling...
When I ask from disbelievers they have no idea of god... And they are not at all interested to read anything.... How come they neglect God's book while their destiny is horrible... They deny coz they have no clue..  Isn't their better way to inform human to save them from this destiny... I mean had people seen God so do you really think they all would deny as they deny now when we remind them of fire....
Or sending angel messengers physically every now and then to remind people... Let people know that the messengers are not human so, they surrender when reminded....so more people turn towards belief and better moral life in fear... People are in doubt coz they only have a book ancient  .. No time for them to read....  I know what i mentioned above are in Quran... Such as the disbelievers claimed show Lord and send angel messengers or bring a book direct from God, etc etc... But they seemed more confident if those options presented rather than human messengers...
Or else these human are worse than we think about them... Just as believers we show kindness to them to save them... Or God is right by having to push them in hell fire for denying God.....doesn't God know what He created?
But why all these set up.... What if nothing was created? Let Him be as He was before nothing was created... Isn't all the problems after His decision of creations and the freedom given to them..why not after creating kept as slaves by not giving freedom so all obey wittingly or unwittingly... ..

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2019, 06:43:33 AM »
Peace jkhan.
I hope your journey is not being redirected by doubts and confusion.
Many brothers and sisters struggle with "Islam to GOD" and confuse it with Tyranny , supremacy and cruelty of an arrogant creator.
All these questions have been asked by some brothers and sisters before they kicked the idea of GOD  into touch, questions like:

1-why would god require obedience and Ibada from us tiny little humans and create hell to punish us?

2-Why does God need us to do anything for Him?

3-Is it true that God only set up hell to punish us because we are intelligent / debate/choose/think...etc?
...etc.
My thoughts:
Who are we? This needs to be pondered first.
Hell was never meant for humans/ Jinns to go to, but due to our and Jinns rebellious ways in our lives(past and present) , if we stay this way we have to be confined to it, Why?
 Hell is not just the opposite of Heaven it is a place that will be cast into outer darkness (Allegory), where the spirit of ungodly creatures are cast, their spirits do not enjoy the presence of GOD and goodness,
These rebellious creatures will have to be chained away from God's goodness, love and fellowship which they will never  experience because they have chosen it. They knew it and had chances to correct.
 Of course they will desire and want to be elsewhere, but they have put their souls with the fire of that torment, where darkness is total and complete( Again allegory), away from GOD..
For me the question that I need to ask is What is eternity? What are the choices available for it? What do I need to do to make the right choice?
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2019, 05:41:24 PM »
Peace jkhan.
I hope your journey is not being redirected by doubts and confusion.
Many brothers and sisters struggle with "Islam to GOD" and confuse it with Tyranny , supremacy and cruelty of an arrogant creator.
All these questions have been asked by some brothers and sisters before they kicked the idea of GOD  into touch, questions like:

1-why would god require obedience and Ibada from us tiny little humans and create hell to punish us?

2-Why does God need us to do anything for Him?

3-Is it true that God only set up hell to punish us because we are intelligent / debate/choose/think...etc?
...etc.
My thoughts:
Who are we? This needs to be pondered first.
Hell was never meant for humans/ Jinns to go to, but due to our and Jinns rebellious ways in our lives(past and present) , if we stay this way we have to be confined to it, Why?
 Hell is not just the opposite of Heaven it is a place that will be cast into outer darkness (Allegory), where the spirit of ungodly creatures are cast, their spirits do not enjoy the presence of GOD and goodness,
These rebellious creatures will have to be chained away from God's goodness, love and fellowship which they will never  experience because they have chosen it. They knew it and had chances to correct.
 Of course they will desire and want to be elsewhere, but they have put their souls with the fire of that torment, where darkness is total and complete( Again allegory), away from GOD..
For me the question that I need to ask is What is eternity? What are the choices available for it? What do I need to do to make the right choice?
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace brother...
Thank you for your concern.   
Don't judge so quickly about me... I am confused or doubting God knows.. That's your assumptions... Don't assume ...let God do His Job....
My concern to raise the topic is based on experience with non Muslims....  They are gentle people and never take serious this life after death or old book... Just they don't have time even to earn their livelihood.... Just seems stuck with every stage of life...
But when i have opportunity to talk with them they raise almost all such questions.... They say why God hide and play.... In fact I am bothered about them and wishing for guidance... But how to guide those God sealed hearts or God let go astray.... If I say that they laugh...
Brother GL just think of practical point of view why they are on such patherltic situation.... Even Ibrahim concerned to the people of Lut.... ... Just show some concern... 
Having concern on their point of view becomes my disbelief and doubts... Strange judge you are.. Lol 😂.. They say they have their book and the book so good but Godless.. 😩

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2019, 10:06:33 AM »
Peace,

I understand your questioning.

I have other questions:

Why did only the human being accept the amanah when the heavens, the earth, the mountains refused it?

He had the choice to refuse this responsibility but he accepted because of his injustice and ignorance.

Why did he disobey while eating from the tree?
Adam knew that Iblis refused to obey him.

Regardless of alquran, all animals live in harmony with their environment. The human being is capable of the best as the worst. He suffers on earth because he lives in separation from other creatures and creation. He has forgotten his true nature.
This painful experience of separation is necessary to meet the creator, to realize the uniqueness of being, the whole the self that is in and out of each form, then he can live in harmony with creation and savor paradise on earth.

Peace

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2019, 11:36:07 AM »
Peace jkhan.
I said" I hope your journey..." Which means I am not sure, So I was not saying you are.
Brother you could have just clarified. I was not judging or implying you were anything for the record.

I suppose I have to be careful in case people are not reading my posts properly.
 Apologies brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2019, 04:42:57 PM »
Peace jkhan.
I said" I hope your journey..." Which means I am not sure, So I was not saying you are.
Brother you could have just clarified. I was not judging or implying you were anything for the record.

I suppose I have to be careful in case people are not reading my posts properly.
 Apologies brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace dude....
I am extremely sorry if that what you meant.... I read properly... But I got what I got.... I always try to read posts in what mentality people write with the wording... I think I have got this wrong since you confirm...
Sorry... God guide us... I hope lots of people posing questions like  this from you... Sometimes I have no answer... They are so strange...

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2019, 04:49:57 PM »
Peace,

I understand your questioning.

I have other questions:

Why did only the human being accept the amanah when the heavens, the earth, the mountains refused it?

He had the choice to refuse this responsibility but he accepted because of his injustice and ignorance.

Why did he disobey while eating from the tree?
Adam knew that Iblis refused to obey him.

Regardless of alquran, all animals live in harmony with their environment. The human being is capable of the best as the worst. He suffers on earth because he lives in separation from other creatures and creation. He has forgotten his true nature.
This painful experience of separation is necessary to meet the creator, to realize the uniqueness of being, the whole the self that is in and out of each form, then he can live in harmony with creation and savor paradise on earth.

Peace

Peace sister...
That's an excellent answer... Specially the amanah.... That satisfies me personally.... Yes we have loved to be created and loved the enjoyment and still God provides and after life as well.. So in a way we are here with our own acceptance.  ..though we don't know it.. Our innerself loves what God created.. That's the signal...
But sister... Can I tell this to disbelievers that we accepted amanah... They will only mock at me...

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2019, 12:15:27 AM »
Peace,

amanah or the responsibility to be khaleefa of God on earth.

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2019, 10:02:40 AM »
Does God has satisfaction?. I am wondering does God get satisfied by filling the Hell with human and Jinn.. while let some indulge in Janna .....
Why fire? Is that right option?
Can we call it kind of revenge from men and jinn for not obeying Him using His Power against powerless human...

It's the soul who is and will be satisfied with any condition of his/her own interest..
Those who are proud and hateful will prefer an environment where there are abundance of pride and hate.
Those who are humble and loving will prefer an environment where there are abundance of humility and love.

What will a warmonger do when there isn't any possibility of war, hate spreading, enemy bashing and conquering?

Fire might be a metaphor, it symbolize rage and hatred..

"A man who is kind benefits himself,  a cruel man hurts himself."
-- Proverbs 11:7

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2019, 06:36:52 AM »
It's the soul who is and will be satisfied with any condition of his/her own interest..
Those who are proud and hateful will prefer an environment where there are abundance of pride and hate.
Those who are humble and loving will prefer an environment where there are abundance of humility and love.

What will a warmonger do when there isn't any possibility of war, hate spreading, enemy bashing and conquering?

Fire might be a metaphor, it symbolize rage and hatred..

"A man who is kind benefits himself,  a cruel man hurts himself."
-- Proverbs 11:7

Peace...
I agree the first sentence of yours... I wonder if is common to the creator and creation... When we compare that with when iblees rejected the order of God... Isn't that clear dissatisfaction?  God questioned iblees.. Why rejected?  Question comes when not happy.. Had iblees agreed God won't question... So He would have been satisfied like He did for rest of the Malaika...
Anyway God knows it....

I don't know  why most of us take things of heaven and hell as mataphore....  I don't personally agree to that...
As you say fire is mataphore... Then why replace skin when burned.. Why do this process every time when skin burned... I don't quite grasp it