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Houriya

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2019, 10:31:44 AM »
Very interesbing.

https://free-minds.org/descriptions-heaven

https://free-minds.org/judgement-day-hell-earth

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2019, 05:51:14 AM »
Peace...
I agree the first sentence of yours... I wonder if is common to the creator and creation... When we compare that with when iblees rejected the order of God... Isn't that clear dissatisfaction?  God questioned iblees.. Why rejected?  Question comes when not happy.. Had iblees agreed God won't question... So He would have been satisfied like He did for rest of the Malaika...
Anyway God knows it....

I found the 'myth' of God asking questions to His own creation to be ridiculous... such view only valid if one took the assumption that God = Human / Creature who has limited access to information, thus validate the need to ask 'questions' to gather information.

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I don't know  why most of us take things of heaven and hell as mataphore....  I don't personally agree to that...
As you say fire is mataphore... Then why replace skin when burned.. Why do this process every time when skin burned... I don't quite grasp it

Spirit form has no skin to begin with that can be burned...

Path to Evil is the path to "Self"-ness or should we say "Selfishness".
Pride, Arrogance, Rejection, Hatred, Anger, Envy, Revenge, Fear and other negative emotions goes along with it.
The existence of Me / Ego is the most important thing.

Path to Good is the path to "Selfless-ness"..
Humility, Acceptance, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness, Calmness and other positive emotions goes along with it.
Me / Ego is not important, me / ego actually do not exist...



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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2019, 06:53:42 AM »
Peace jafar.
When you say, quote:
I found the 'myth' of God asking questions to His own creation to be ridiculous... such view only valid if one took the assumption that God = Human / Creature who has limited access to information, thus validate the need to ask 'questions' to gather information.

It does not matter who does the questioning , but the questioning must be done Why?

Accountability / "Amana" /Being responsible will  lead to questioning to make things transparent.
 In short   questions like Why did you do such...? How come you did such...?  Did you ignore/choose such....? have to be asked either by GOD or by the creation itself. At the end judgement has to be seen as transparent and fair.
" GOD knows everything" is another matter. The process of judgement contains questioning regardless.

Also brother, spirit form may not have skin if not human, but it has to be manifested as a form of some sort.
Just like the fire we know burns skin, there might be other form of "fire"that burns other than skin or anything our fire burns.
We know nothing about the "hidden" world/ knowledge of GOD except some examples of allegory. It remains hidden until our true sight is restored.(Similarly  in the hidden not only eyes can see!!)
GOD bless you.
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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2019, 08:28:27 AM »
I found the 'myth' of God asking questions to His own creation to be ridiculous... such view only valid if one took the assumption that God = Human / Creature who has limited access to information, thus validate the need to ask 'questions' to gather information.

Spirit form has no skin to begin with that can be burned...

Path to Evil is the path to "Self"-ness or should we say "Selfishness".
Pride, Arrogance, Rejection, Hatred, Anger, Envy, Revenge, Fear and other negative emotions goes along with it.
The existence of Me / Ego is the most important thing.

Path to Good is the path to "Selfless-ness"..
Humility, Acceptance, Love, Peace, Compassion, Forgiveness, Calmness and other positive emotions goes along with it.
Me / Ego is not important, me / ego actually do not exist...

Peace...
I don't know in which angle you took God questioned iblees... We know already God is not Human... He is unique.. Non equal to  Him... So comparing His qualities with us is offline...
It's not ridiculous... Coz.. See the impact of the concern and question and the outcome of what iblees did... He knows why iblees reject but He questioned coz iblees should also know what God's immediate response.... Unless God have conversation iblees won't know the outcome of his denial... Don't take it that so simple... God questions everything on the day of ressurection with complete record of history... It's not ridiculous... It has perfect meaning...

And again metaphor is bit off topic here... But for me nothing is metaphor... All will be real... What you explained is totally Budda philosophy.... I hear them whenever I hve a dialogue with friends..
God will replace this Earth and heavens with another.. It's not metaphor... It's real... If this world is real then that also... When people say this is what provided before on earth when they provided with fruits... What kind of metaphor is that?
Heat of sun won't touch us.. What kind of metaphor is it?... You can take loads of logical verses from Quran... But I know more people tempt to think Janna is not real... For me that's impossible... Even hell... Verses never support so...

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2019, 11:47:21 PM »
Peace,

Thank you brother Jkhan for your input. You are right about Buddhism beliefs.

The verses of the Quran are clear about heaven and hell after the resurrection.

"My Lord, increase my knowledge."

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2019, 08:44:22 AM »
Peace jafar.
When you say, quote:
I found the 'myth' of God asking questions to His own creation to be ridiculous... such view only valid if one took the assumption that God = Human / Creature who has limited access to information, thus validate the need to ask 'questions' to gather information.

It does not matter who does the questioning , but the questioning must be done Why?

Must be done?????

I think we've went through with this many times..
Walt Disney asking Pete... Pete! Why did you kidnapped Minnie Mouse?


"Walt Disney asking Mickey to return to his cartoon, but Mickey refused".

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Accountability / "Amana" /Being responsible will  lead to questioning to make things transparent.
 In short   questions like Why did you do such...? How come you did such...?  Did you ignore/choose such....? have to be asked either by GOD or by the creation itself. At the end judgement has to be seen as transparent and fair.

It only valid within a 'mind context' where one see God as if it's a human, in this case a human judge asking a suspect why did you do this? why did you do that? within a human court.

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" GOD knows everything" is another matter. The process of judgement contains questioning regardless.

Your God seem to be a very 'judgmental' God.
Perhaps it's either caused by your own nature to be judgmental to others?? Thus it's being reflected back to you?

Let's assume that God is judgmental as you perceived Him to be.
God knows everything is NOT another matter.
Because the principles of accountability lies within those who are involved and have a degree of impact for certain outcome.

The accountability for the outcome of the death of a person within an embassy situated in a foreign country lies on, ordered by the degree of accountability from most accountable to less accountable:
1. The actual murderer who performed the murder.
2. The accomplishes who help the murderer
3. The ambassador who allow such deed to be performed within his jurisdiction of embassy.
4. The parties who directly ordered the murder to be performed.
5. The authority who indirectly ordered the murder to be performed.
6. Any other parties who knows about the plan of the murder but didn't do anything to stop it.
7. Any other parties who knows about the plan of the murder and do something about it but failed to stop it.
8. The security officials who has the responsibility to maintain law and order within the country where the murder is being performed.

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2020, 10:00:40 AM »
Peace everyone....

Does God has satisfaction?. I am wondering does God get satisfied by filling the Hell with human and Jinn.. while let some indulge in Janna .....
Why fire? Is that right option?
Can we call it kind of revenge from men and jinn for not obeying Him using His Power against powerless human...the description of hell in Quran seems beyond anything of this world's punishment...  Can human and jinn bear that in hell...  Do they really deserve to go through a punishment to that grave extent for merely born in this world out of nowhere. ..
Are people rightly informed about this punishment to evade and obey God.. Do they really know that they are heading to a horrible life once they died...
Is God fair in letting know everyone equally in advance during everyone's life time that this is the consequences that we have to go through if we deny Him....
As believers we know God is just.  .. But are these people aware in fact such devastating everlasting life is waiting for them...  Had they seriously known in black and white would they still deny God.  ..
Hasn't God called they wandering in their doubt.    Why they should  be in doubt... When we mingle with people.  We don't find them as bad as brutal murderers..do they? Most of the people are just simple people living a life... But definitely most of them not accept God... Other than that they are decent people... That's what I and you see in society... So... Why not this same Quran is not among every community translated from God Himself....
Do you think as a human that God is fair enough before taking the life of human and destine him to hell.    We know only those who are very unfortunate will end up in hell.  ..but it seems lots of people according to verses of God.... Where things went wrong for them...
Suppose in court people judged as murderers and go through prison life sometimes for life time or get capital punishment... So they got already their punishment what  they deserve for their act.... But will that person go to hell for what he did... In case he didn't reform in prison and just lived eating and drinking and passed time to death... If God's punishment is pending why punish the culprit here also....
Is human more kindful than God?.... Why I am posing is coz....
When one day I see a family her daughter was murdered  .. They need justice... What they wanted the life of the murderer... That is evidently fair.. Right... Not more than that... They want him to be hanged.   No need torture him or anything... Only need life for life....
But... God's punishment is not same as human revenge.... God's revenge is ever lasting and fire...  Live in fire and  go through a life I can't imagine that I would be able to.... But that is what every one who is boarded in hell has to suffer... Do you think human would do such torture like God to even one kill his own daughter... Hard to imagine... Isn't it?
But God will.. And definitely will...
At the same time God is kind that no human would ever can show... This is the big contrasting difference ...
Why God is so angry for not obeying Him...from the time of Iblees . How come God has two different features love and revenge....  Doesn't it show that God created this earth and with immense purpose to show His Supreme power by keeping us as His slaves.... Remember He doesn't have beginning... So.. He was alone for infinity time and at certain point He intended this creation and ruling...
When I ask from disbelievers they have no idea of god... And they are not at all interested to read anything.... How come they neglect God's book while their destiny is horrible... They deny coz they have no clue..  Isn't their better way to inform human to save them from this destiny... I mean had people seen God so do you really think they all would deny as they deny now when we remind them of fire....
Or sending angel messengers physically every now and then to remind people... Let people know that the messengers are not human so, they surrender when reminded....so more people turn towards belief and better moral life in fear... People are in doubt coz they only have a book ancient  .. No time for them to read....  I know what i mentioned above are in Quran... Such as the disbelievers claimed show Lord and send angel messengers or bring a book direct from God, etc etc... But they seemed more confident if those options presented rather than human messengers...
Or else these human are worse than we think about them... Just as believers we show kindness to them to save them... Or God is right by having to push them in hell fire for denying God.....doesn't God know what He created?
But why all these set up.... What if nothing was created? Let Him be as He was before nothing was created... Isn't all the problems after His decision of creations and the freedom given to them..why not after creating kept as slaves by not giving freedom so all obey wittingly or unwittingly... ..

Yes, God is always perfectly satisfied. God does whatever it wants. Punishing evil is glorious and worthy of praise. As is rewarding good.

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Are people rightly informed about this punishment to evade and obey God.. Do they really know that they are heading to a horrible life once they died

Yes. Everyone gets a chance to acknowledge or reject God. Everyone gets a chance to do what is good and rational or to do the opposite. Anyone who says they haven't or don't, and they are of sufficient age, are in my opinion being untruthful.

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Re: Does God look for satisfaction?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2020, 12:57:50 AM »
Allah is entirely free of need and worthy of praise. Now what happens is that it is desired that a soul chooses self-respect and not destruction. The soul judges itself in the end via Allah presenting the clear evidence. Allah holds Yawm ud Deen in place, each soul bears witness. Yawm ud Deen is the fully detailed exposition of the whole matter.