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Houriya

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The Nature of the Creator
« on: November 08, 2019, 03:15:15 AM »
Salam,

I will try to answer that question from what I have read and experienced.

The Creator is like an invisible screen, consciousness, emptiness in which the film of our life and entire creation takes place. This screen allows us to experience all that is phenomenal. The film ends, the screen remains intact.

The heart is the direct, vertical way (sirat mustaqeem) to achieve obedience and submission to the divine (almasjid alqssa). In the heart, the human being is behind the divine (khalf, khaleefa) like a horse that is guided by his rider. The Creator entrusted us with the earth. To succeed in this mission, one must agree to stay behind the Creator to be guided at every step.

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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 11:54:40 AM »

The Creator is like an invisible screen, consciousness, emptiness in which the film of our life and entire creation takes place. This screen allows us to experience all that is phenomenal. The film ends, the screen remains intact.

The creator layout the screen, consciousness and fullness in which the films of entire creation takes place.
The films can be rewinded, played and forwarded, everything happened at the same time, given for the creator, time itself is embedded into the screen and are no constraint for Him. At any place and at any time within the films are all equally near to the creator and all are within His control.

There are infinite number of screen as well, where within many films can takes place, and as in other screen all films can also be rewinded, played and forwarded. When a film ends, as the time context within the screen dictate, the screen remains intact and many other films can be shown. When a screen ends and worn, many other screen remains intact and many other screen created anew.

Any actors within a film played within a screen is not the creator, although some actors claimed to be as such, yet it can clearly be distinguished as the actors is using his/her own limited perspective which is bound by the timing context and the locational context within the screen.
Some other actors claimed that he/she knew the creator well and claimed nobody can reach the creator except through him/her, again it's impossible as the creator are equally near to everything and nothing knew the creator in it's entirely except the creator itself.

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The heart is the direct, vertical way (sirat mustaqeem) to achieve obedience and submission to the divine (almasjid alqssa). In the heart, the human being is behind the divine (khalf, khaleefa) like a horse that is guided by his rider. The Creator entrusted us with the earth. To succeed in this mission, one must agree to stay behind the Creator to be guided at every step.

The 'heart' (not the bodily part named heart who pumped blood to the entire body) is the direct, vertical way to achieve union with the divine, in order to do so the self must experienced many things which as it evolved it will gradually eroded it's own ego, it's own self existence and come into a state of readiness for a union. The self will evolved to become a 'non self' which are indescribable by any human words, as words and language are the product of this film and nobody in this film has reached that state, otherwise he/she will not be in this film. Potentially there could be many stages of 'non self' as well.


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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 04:17:53 PM »
Peace,

The screen and the movie are a metaphor. As the human being is identified with his character which is a cluster of thoughts, he plays a role as an actor in a film.

There is a multiplicity of forms, but only one being, the whole, Allah is unique / ahad. The one being, is inside and outside each form. He is the conductor of the entire creation. All phenomena appear and disappear. the Being who animates the Whole is indestructible, eternal.

We are a manifestation of the one Being in a human body.
The whole is one, we realize the uniqueness of The creator  through his creation.

Peace.



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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2019, 08:05:41 PM »
NATURE of creator = ? a big question mark.

NATURE of HUMAN what we experienced from fellow humans.

1 Insecure
2 Fearful
3 Attention seeker
4 Gullible
5 Blind follower
6 Jealous
7 Self-centered
8 Selfish
9 Lack of vision
10 Lack of knowledge
11 Greed
12 helpless
13 without a choice from entering or exiting from this life/planet
.......
....... so on
 

these are not  the qualities or attributes because good and bad attributes depend on person to person..

like

1 Hate
2 Killing other creation
3 Robbing
4 Rapping
5 Stealing/theft
6 Stealing/theft by force
7 Fraud/fakery
8 Invading the lands of weak
9 Imposing restrictions
10 LIE
11 Dishonesty
12 Disobey the elders
13 RUDE / cruel
14 Trouble making/ mischief making
15 cheating.....

....... so on

The opposite of those qualities/attributes also there.. but question is instead of finding out the NATURE of creator what is not possible and we also know its not possible then why dnt we struggle finding the nature of a human being ?

do we even know our own NATURE at 100 % ?
Can creator make faulty or confusing creation ?
what if the concept of creating force is way different then what we learn from ancient texts ?



The heart is the direct, vertical way (sirat mustaqeem) to achieve obedience and submission to the divine (almasjid alqssa). In the heart, the human being is behind the divine (khalf, khaleefa) like a horse that is guided by his rider. .

the only function of heart is to pump the blood in your body.

thoughts/spirituality/submitting/choices never comes from heart but from mind both (good/right vs bad/wrong)


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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2019, 01:24:21 AM »
Peace,

it is not the eyes that become blind but the hearts in the breasts.

when one gives all the power to the mind which is the seat of thought, he cuts off the individual from his heart and makes him sick.

Allah opens or not the heart of the human being to make peace (islam)

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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2019, 03:03:38 AM »
Peace,

Here are some examples of the heart in the Qur'an:

Surah 22:
46. ​​What do they travel on earth to have hearts to understand, and ears to hear? Because
it is not the eyes that blind themselves, but, it is the hearts in the breasts that blind themselves.

54. And so that those to whom knowledge has been given know that (the Quran) is indeed, the Truth coming from your
Lord, let them believe in it, and let their hearts submit to it in all humility. Allah guides to the right
those who believe.

to believe with the heart,
the heart trembles,
the heart hardens,
the heart doubts,
heart sealed, the heart deviates, the heart turns away.
The heart is tranquilized,
the heart leans,
 the heart empty,
to penetrate the heart,
the heart denies.

Allah sealed hearts, hearing, and eyes.

We have put sails on their hearts, so that they do not understand it.

We have strengthened their hearts.

their distracted hearts

is inspired by the piety of hearts.

their hearts are full of fear.

their hearts remain ignorant of this.

hearts will be upset as well as looks.

Is there a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt?

Allah seals the hearts of those who do not know.

No blame on you for what you do by mistake, but (you will be blamed for) what your hearts are doing deliberately.

when hearts go up to the throats, terrified (or anxious).

He threw fear into their hearts.

Allah knows, however, what is in your hearts.

the fear will be removed from their hearts,

then their skins and their hearts soothe the remembrance of Allah.

the hearts of those who do not believe in the hereafter and when we mention those who are outside Him, they rejoice.

Our hearts are veiled against what you call us, our ears are deaf.

Surah 47:
16. And some of them are listening to you. Once out of your house, they say to those who have received science: "What did he say, sometimes? "These are the ones whose hearts Allah has sealed and who follow their own passions.

24. Do not they meditate on the Qur'an? Or are there padlocks on their hearts?

They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts.

And it has been embellished in your hearts.

... in their hearts the fury, the fury of ignorance.

Allah has felt the hearts for godliness.

faith has not yet penetrated your hearts.

their hearts humble at the mention of Allah and before what came down from the truth [the Koran].

put in the hearts of those who followed him sweetness and meekness.

He prescribed faith in their hearts and He helped them with His help.

and do not feel in their hearts any desire.

and put in our hearts no rancor for those who believed.

their hearts are divided.

Allah deflected their hearts

Surah 63
3. It is because in truth they believed, and rejected the faith. Their hearts, therefore, have been sealed, so that they understand nothing.

If you repent to Allah it is because your hearts have fallen.

Surah 79:
8. On that day, there will be hearts that will be frightened,

Surah 86:
9. The day when hearts will reveal their secrets,



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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2019, 07:26:23 AM »
Allah interposes himself between man and his heart.

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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2019, 12:44:36 AM »
Is ur thread is about the nature of creator?
 
Or

You are trying to say heart is responsible for consciousness of human being?

Will love to see if you have any scientific/biological  data to back up your claim.

If u ask from experts the book is not talking about organ heart but a character/self.

About the consciousness mind is responsible for it although still lot of things to know about the trillions of neurons working side by side as a networking web. Its highly complicated device humans are holding in their skulls. BRAIN is hard to handle, it appears human was not yet ready to operate that brain we just unlocked a very little of it.

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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2019, 09:29:42 AM »
God is consciousness, the unique Being, the whole. I do not speak of the attributes of the divine.
The heart that is in the chest is an organ that pumps the blood, allows us to connect to the divine in us.

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Re: The Nature of the Creator
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2019, 02:28:17 PM »
Hmm so people select a wrong organ "BRAIN" for consciousness. Vice versa Its heart responsible for the functions?