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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2019, 12:22:28 PM »
I do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is halal and at the same time we do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is haram. If there are no explicit verses stating that porn is haram does it not mean that it is halal? This is my simple question. You quote the verse below

"Do not utter falsehoods by letting your tongues determine [at your own discretion], "This is lawful and that is forbidden", thus attributing your own lying inventions to God:  for, behold, they who attribute their own lying inventions to God will never attain to a happy state!" 16:116

According to this verses what is haram and halal and how can you use this verse to determine porn as haram?

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2019, 01:19:58 PM »
Peace Zakir.
You say here, quote:
If the sunnah of the prophet(Sal) was not a source, then Allah would have not told us to follow the prophet(Sal). I would like to kindly ask you why you reject the hadiths? is it because the hadiths were written by people?

First ,I do not see follow the prophet in the verses you quoted. The verses are specific about "Obey the messenger" or refer it to the messenger"...i.e GOD is consistent and specific about using the word messenger instead of the word prophet-Nabi-. do you know why?
Simple and effective use of the word messenger restrict you and the reader to the message. The messenger delivers the message nothing more and nothing less. Only the word of GOD is the message
If the messenger delivers his words or somebody else s words ,then he is no longer GOD s messenger.The
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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2019, 01:25:36 PM »
I will complete the post above here:

The messenger in Qoran is GOD s messenger and only delivers Qoran.
Lastly, the Nabi is the human person that can have his own personal opinion and words. That is why GOD has been consistent and specific in using "Obey the messenger, Refer it to the messenger"...etc.

You need to study Qoran so you do not confuse the words and their meanings.
 Of course you are free to watch pornography and follow whoever you choose ..
GOD bless you.
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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2019, 03:11:54 PM »
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I do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is halal and at the same time we do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is haram. If there are no explicit verses stating that porn is haram does it not mean that it is halal? This is my simple question.

If something is not stated as haram how does it automatically mean it is halal? where is your evidence for such a claim? simple question

Secondly something doesn't need to be labelled as haram for it to be bad or wrong.

If lowering the gaze is commanded, how can that be achieved through porn?

You can read the Quran to determine what is deemed halal and haram.


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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2019, 03:23:20 PM »
I do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is halal and at the same time we do agree that there are no verses stating that porn is haram.

I agree.

Peace zakr there where no movies back then.  So the question becomes
can zakr watch two people or three people or a room full of people having
sex while he jerks off.    :hmm


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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2019, 05:50:23 PM »
Dear  brother.... Zakir..

You didn't furnish the definition.. Fine.. I won't ask again... .  Your claim to bring a verse from quran which forbids 'Pornography' is much similar to claims of even the people who claim they follow quran only and asking to bring verse which forbids unequivocally 'LGBT'..... Funny isn't it?. ......
Then I claim where is the verse in quran to forbid unequivocally to 'Sex with one's own mother or father'..... Bring me a confirmation in quran forbidding it... If not forbidden explicitly then will it become Halal? You can ask whatever not forbidden in quran and put a question..
Senseless ignorants only would pose such questions...
Brother... Quran is not a book came to list each and every act of human to state this is forbidden and that is halal... Nonsensical.... God has asked us to establish ethics and bringforth betterment and to get rid of bad and do good... So many criteria to ponder in quran... Rather asking unequivocal statement is foolishness....  Another would ask 'Can I touch the buttocks of the girls' ..... Why not God not forbidden in quran with unequivocal statement... Hilarious for me such who pose questions as such forgetting what is the right path and always lean towards evil.... Take the Quran in its deep sense and always compare and explore... This is why God says this same quran can misguide many....

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2019, 06:05:22 PM »
Peace Zakir.
You say here, quote:
If the sunnah of the prophet(Sal) was not a source, then Allah would have not told us to follow the prophet(Sal). I would like to kindly ask you why you reject the hadiths? is it because the hadiths were written by people?

First ,I do not see follow the prophet in the verses you quoted. The verses are specific about "Obey the messenger" or refer it to the messenger"...i.e GOD is consistent and specific about using the word messenger instead of the word prophet-Nabi-. do you know why?
Simple and effective use of the word messenger restrict you and the reader to the message. The messenger delivers the message nothing more and nothing less. Only the word of GOD is the message
If the messenger delivers his words or somebody else s words ,then he is no longer GOD s messenger.


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First of all you should understand the arabic meaning for this verse. The arabic word"فَرُدُّوهُ" means to refer back meaning to refer to the prophet(Sal).
 (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger
(4:59)

There is no mentioning of obeying in this verse. Please do not twist the verses because you do not want to accept the hadiths due to your ignorance in Islam. I would like to kindly ask you why do you say that the hadiths are not acceptable is it because it was written by humans?

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2019, 06:17:29 PM »
Dear  brother.... Zakir..

You didn't furnish the definition.. Fine.. I won't ask again... .  Your claim to bring a verse from quran which forbids 'Pornography' is much similar to claims of even the people who claim they follow quran only and asking to bring verse which forbids unequivocally 'LGBT'..... Funny isn't it?. ......
Then I claim where is the verse in quran to forbid unequivocally to 'Sex with one's own mother or father'..... Bring me a confirmation in quran forbidding it... If not forbidden explicitly then will it become Halal? You can ask whatever not forbidden in quran and put a question..
Senseless ignorants only would pose such questions...
Brother... Quran is not a book came to list each and every act of human to state this is forbidden and that is halal... Nonsensical.... God has asked us to establish ethics and bringforth betterment and to get rid of bad and do good... So many criteria to ponder in quran... Rather asking unequivocal statement is foolishness....  Another would ask 'Can I touch the buttocks of the girls' ..... Why not God not forbidden in quran with unequivocal statement... Hilarious for me such who pose questions as such forgetting what is the right path and always lean towards evil.... Take the Quran in its deep sense and always compare and explore... This is why God says this same quran can misguide many


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LGBT is clearly forbidden. You can refer the story of prophet Lut in the Quran for why homosexuality is forbidden. First of all, the person who is confused and ignorant about the hadiths will only reject it not the one with sound knowledge in Islam. You say
 
"God has asked us to establish ethics and bring forth betterment and to get rid of bad and do good'

Allah would not give a confusing and half explained message to humanity by telling them to figure out what is good or wrong. First of all, if Islam has not told what ethics is then any tom and dicks opinion would be ethics. I again ask you what kind of things are haram? You won't be able to give a clear answer to this using the Quran because Islam was completed not only through the Quran but also through the sunnah. This is why Allah says in the Quran,

 "Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah , then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins'
(Al-Quran-3:31)

If the hadiths were lies then Allah would not have told us Muslims to follow the prophet(Sal). I asked you earlier a question and that is, why do you say that hadiths are not a sourcein Islam is it because it was written by human beings? I am awaiting for a reply from you.

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2019, 06:24:25 PM »
Lower your gaze but secretly watch people do it. You cant convince retards

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2019, 06:33:32 PM »
"Lower your gaze but secretly watch people do it. You cant convince retards"


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It is more retarded to think that only the Quran is the source in Islam. I would like to ask you what does God mean by lowering gaze? I doubt any Quranist can answer this question except to use ones own assumptions and give a ruling to it and then again would contradict the very statement of Allah(Swt) who says

"And We have sent down to thee the Quran explaining all things"
(16:89)

If Allah says that everything is explained in the Quran, then why can't you bring a single proof to prove that watching porn is haram?