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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 01:03:33 PM »
Zakir, you do realise the Quran is a book of spiritual guidance, it isn't a book that outlines every question and answer under the sun or in your mind.

Firstly, can you define necessity?

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As far as I know, e Quran does not says that haram is halal under a necessity under only certain manners. the necessity that is explain these verses in the Quran are general

Can you clarify what you mean by the necessity that is explained in the verses is general? what do you mean by that?

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2019, 01:19:33 PM »
Dear Brother,

 If you are going to rely solely on the Quran, then I would like to kindly as you, please show me a verse in the Quran which says that watching porn is haram?

24:30 Tell the acknowledging men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, for that is purer for them. God is fully aware of what you do
24:31 Tell the acknowledging women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts, and that they should not show off their attraction except what is apparent, and let them cast their clothes over their cleavage. Let them not show off their attraction except to their husbands, or their fathers, or fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or their children that come after them, or those who are still their dependants, or the male servants who are without need, or the child who has not yet understood the nakedness of women. Let them not strike with their feet in a manner that reveals what they are keeping hidden of their attraction. Repent to God, all of you acknowledgers, so that you may succeed.

The article you are referring also mentions these verses.

I am not sure how to watch a porn by lowering my gaze.

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2019, 01:08:21 AM »
Dear brother,


The verses you have mentioned  about lowering the gaze could mean anything. How can you interpret lowering the gaze to mean that it is watching pornography?  I once again ask you to point a single unequivocal statement in the Quran which says that watching porn is haram. This is what happens when you only rely only the Quran and deny the hadiths. The meaning for necessity is explained in the hadiths. Following only the Quran contradicts the very Quran itself.Allah says in the Quran

"If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger"
(Quran 4:59)

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2019, 01:47:39 AM »
Dear brother,


The verses you have mentioned  about lowering the gaze could mean anything. How can you interpret lowering the gaze to mean that it is watching pornography?  I once again ask you to point a single unequivocal statement in the Quran which says that watching porn is haram. This is what happens when you only rely only the Quran and deny the hadiths. The meaning for necessity is explained in the hadiths. Following only the Quran contradicts the very Quran itself.Allah says in the Quran

"If you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger"
(Quran 4:59)

Brother Zakir.....you registered in this forum and put up a topic and wanted others clarifications saying “IS THIS TRUE? You have quran + most importantly millions of hadiths to each and everything, I guess, Haven’t you found an answer in them for pornography.. if NO.. then your quran + hadith also not enough which you rely on so that you have to approach another source… And further you said that you don’t want to engage in argument with your muslims brothers….right? But, story derails…… Are you ready to debate a marathon topic.…
…what you claim is mighty in your time of ignorance unfortunately…. Most of us were in that stage if I am not assumed wrongly..… so, I feel for you… that’s why I sense no one is answering you coz you didn’t want to debate…. May be coz they feel for you guidance… coz they know they were in such situations… simply in among ignorance…your questions are very simple probably for them I presume…Me or they didn’t throw away hadiths in blindness but after clear verification….I suggest you to read topics under Hadith & discussions or Sunni & Shia or you better raise a new topic under them… and pose whatever you want to, probably answers will flow.. anticipate if you are neutral will end up in right track unless you bend your neck on something for which you don’t know the root….

So…. Just explain to all of us pls in detail… what is HADITH in your understanding….? And What is Quran? And why you follow them both? And Have you verified both with precise verification for all the so called authenticated Hadith? Or are you just following from here and there?
Remember no one will be your enemy here…. Most probably you will have also friends who support your claim for following hadith… you will not be alone i guess..… :group:

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2019, 03:34:38 AM »
Dear brother,

I don't  want to divert this topic from pornography  to hadiths. Maybe I should post questions relating to hadiths on the hadith section. Now coming beck to the topic of pornography,  as you are a Quraniyoon, I ask you a simple question, and thst is,can you show a single unequivocal statement  from the Quran which says that porn is haram?  As far as I know C.J Ahmed  is a srilankan/Yemenise preacher who is been arguing that porn is halal if it is for a necessity. Even in rhe Quran there is a story of two girls working during the time of moses because their father was old.

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2019, 04:35:27 AM »
Dear brother,

I don't  want to divert this topic from pornography  to hadiths. Maybe I should post questions relating to hadiths on the hadith section. Now coming beck to the topic of pornography,  as you are a Quraniyoon, I ask you a simple question, and thst is,can you show a single unequivocal statement  from the Quran which says that porn is haram?  As far as I know C.J Ahmed  is a srilankan/Yemenise preacher who is been arguing that porn is halal if it is for a necessity. Even in rhe Quran there is a story of two girls working during the time of moses because their father was old.

Peace brother....
Yes... Better you approach hadith segment for hadith....
So you are curious a straightforward statement in quran for forbidding pornography.... Help  me out first your definition of  Pornography and Zina....so In sha allah I would respond your curious unequivocal statement question .....
Then I will bring a. List  where there is no unequivocal statement in quran to forbid  still you (zakir) will forbid with moral verses of quran ....

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 07:37:41 AM »
Peace zakir..
Thank you brother for clarifying that you only want a verse from Qoran that clearly says: "Watching porn is haram"

Well, there is no verse that explicitly states this. Nor can you find a different verse that clearly states :"Watching porn is halal under necessity".
So what are you going to do? Watch porn or not? Or did GOD forget to mention it?
Baring in mind GOD never forgets:-Do we agree-?:

[Qoran 19:64] We do not come down except by the command of your Lord. To Him belongs our past, our future, and everything between them. Your Lord is NEVER FORGETFUL.
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I guess you have to define/understand /categorise..."Watching porn" ,then see if it falls under" Sayiaa/Fahisha/bad things… Or under  Hasana/Tayibat/good thing...
This is where you have to study Qoran Alone and nothing else. Why Qoran Alone?:
1-GOD s words are enough. They never run out.
8:109
Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."
.قُل لَو كانَ البَحرُ مِدادًا لِكَلِمٰتِ رَبّى لَنَفِدَ البَحرُ قَبلَ أَن تَنفَدَ كَلِمٰتُ رَبّى وَلَو جِئنا بِمِثلِهِ مَدَدًا

2- Qoran Alone for redemption:
6:19
Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Qoran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
*6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolaters.
قُل أَىُّ شَىءٍ أَكبَرُ شَهٰدَةً قُلِ اللَّهُ شَهيدٌ بَينى وَبَينَكُم وَأوحِىَ إِلَىَّ هٰذَا القُرءانُ لِأُنذِرَكُم بِهِ وَمَن بَلَغَ أَئِنَّكُم لَتَشهَدونَ أَنَّ مَعَ اللَّهِ ءالِهَةً أُخرىٰ قُل لا أَشهَدُ قُل إِنَّما هُوَ إِلٰهٌ وٰحِدٌ وَإِنَّنى بَرىءٌ مِمّا تُشرِكونَ
 Or where do you see Qoran and hadiths in ant verse ?

Or bring me a Hadith book/s that have been left to us by the prophet like he left the book Qoran?
Or keep following your Imam.
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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2019, 10:27:06 AM »
Dear Brother,


You agree that there are no explicit verse that says that watching porn is haram. Anything else is your own explanation. Now let me explain the verse you bring in the Quran and that is, 6:19 and you argue that the Quran is the only source of Islam. You have taken this verse out of context. This verse nowhere does it say that the Quran is the only source. This was only argues about the oneness of Allah. Your argument that Quran is the only source contradicts the Quran itself. No where in the Quran does it clearly say that Quran is the only source. Allah(Swt) says,

 (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger
(4:59)

 “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life
(8:24)

Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
(3:31)
If the sunnah of the prophet(Sal) was not a source, then Allah would have not told us to follow the prophet(Sal). I would like to kindly ask you why you reject the hadiths? is it because the hadiths were written by people?

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DOES THE QURAN FORBID ANIME/CARTOON PORN?
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 10:47:33 AM »
I had posted earlier about a Muslim Imam stating that watching porn is halal under a necessity. This same Imam has given a fatwa stating that watching anime porn is not haram. You can read the full article here https://cjislam.weebly.com/why-watching-cartoonanime-porn-is-not-haram-in-islam.html . This imam is known as C.J Ahmed and is an exponent of Salafism/Wahabism. I did not find a convincing answer from anyone with regards to watching porn. I would like to know whether watching anime porn is haram in the Quran. I have not come across any hadiths prohibiting anime porn and to my knowledge no verse in the Quran forbids it too. Am I wrong? Those who call themselves the Quraniyoon are restricted in many forms of thinking because they do not accept Islam beyond the Quran and this has in my opinion limited their ability to use the intellect beyond the Quran. I would like to ask, what do you think about watching anime porn? I would like to have a good answer that would convince me.

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Re: Muslim Imam says that watching pornography is halal
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 12:01:25 PM »
Zakir,

You're going off topic. There's a whole section for hadith if you want that.

There is no verse that says pornography is halal, so if you choose a twisted interpretation that is your own doing.

Quran: do not utter falsehoods by letting your tongues determine [at your own discretion], "This is lawful and that is forbidden", thus attributing your own lying inventions to God:  for, behold, they who attribute their own lying inventions to God will never attain to a happy state! - 16:116
We all have blind spots.
Follow your heart but take your brain with you.
ambiguity is there for a reason, why do you think?
We're all different, so how can we all be equal?