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seekingtruth1111

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verse 1:6 اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ

I can see the word  الصِّرَاطَ with alif in some places and without alif  الصِّرٰطَ  in some places.

Are both correct?
Is there any difference in pronunciation ?


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Re: الصِّرَاطَ or الصِّرٰطَ which spelling is correct?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2019, 09:10:02 AM »
Peace

verse 1:6 اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ

I can see the word  الصِّرَاطَ with alif in some places and without alif  الصِّرٰطَ  in some places.

Are both correct?
Is there any difference in pronunciation ?

Peace...
I am not the ideal person to answer you in this issue but further I am widening the question..
I find everywhere with Alif after Letter R... Is it? 
Can you show me that word verse without Alif...
But what I found is this word صِرَاطًا .instead ofالصِّرَاطَ  .after letter "Tha" but the word musthaqeem seems to be ending as musthakeeMA when when attached withصِرَاطًا...
Wait for someome who is expert in Arabic writing pattern would explain to you and me.. 

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Re: الصِّرَاطَ or الصِّرٰطَ which spelling is correct?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2019, 04:17:30 PM »
Peace...
I am not the ideal person to answer you in this issue but further I am widening the question..
I find everywhere with Alif after Letter R... Is it? 
Can you show me that word verse without Alif...
But what I found is this word صِرَاطًا .instead ofالصِّرَاطَ  .after letter "Tha" but the word musthaqeem seems to be ending as musthakeeMA when when attached withصِرَاطًا...
Wait for someome who is expert in Arabic writing pattern would explain to you and me..

Peace jkhan

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(1:6:2)

Here you can see the word without alif.

And the same word of the same verse with alif

http://corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=lem%3ASira%60T+pos%3An





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Re: الصِّرَاطَ or الصِّرٰطَ which spelling is correct?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2019, 04:52:17 PM »
Peace jkhan

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(1:6:2)

Here you can see the word without alif.

And the same word of the same verse with alif

http://corpus.quran.com/search.jsp?q=lem%3ASira%60T+pos%3An

Peace..
I noticed it... Even for Malikمَالِكِ they write like this separate which seems as Alif and also they write without separated... If we know how they count the number of letters then we will know reality... Hope they use same way in others words  No more knowledge in this... 

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Re: الصِّرَاطَ or الصِّرٰطَ which spelling is correct?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2019, 02:14:44 AM »
peace, numerous alif's added 100's of years later in the evolution of text.
earliest scribes avoided using alif in middle words -- same pronunciation.

الصرط l-sirata/the path
صرط sirata/path
صرطا siratan/path of (with trailing alif i.e. "a path")
صرطى sirati/path mine
صرطك sirataka/path your

Paris, National Library of France: Arabic 328 (c) 568-645 CE (95.4%) -- 2nd line from bottom
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/11/vers/56/handschrift/158





Berlin, Staatsbibliothek: ms.or.fol. 4313 606-652 CE (95.4%) -- see 7th line from top
https://corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/175?handschrift=15


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Re: الصِّرَاطَ or الصِّرٰطَ which spelling is correct?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2019, 02:57:04 AM »
But adding alif changes the way its recited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKQsFUhXRXw

2:121 Those to whom We gave the Book, they recite it as it truthfully deserves to be recited; they believe in it. As for those who disbelieve in it, they are the losers.

So what should be the correct recitation  تِلَاوَتِهِ?

http://corpus.quran.com/wordmorphology.jsp?location=(2:121:6)