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Who Created God?
« on: September 20, 2019, 02:44:39 PM »
This is the question which normally all Atheists ask to religious people.

Can someone give a satisfactory reply? or refer to any book where we can find the answer.

How do you guys tackle this question?

Thanks,
NK

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 03:20:10 PM »
Metaphysics is the branch of philosophy which Aristotle called as "first philosophy". It deals with the nature of existence, the being and the world and it is a subject that deals with "first causes and the principles of things".

Grand Qur’ān firstly reminds us of our existence. We need to know about our existence, because what else exists know quite well about us, our stature and position in the physical realm. They have their own levels of perception and understanding.

The moment a philosopher observes the relation of his existence with the existence of universe, he can deduce nothing but the fact that his being is the first cause of the existence of the universe he lives in. A philosopher cannot fail to observe that he is not the reason for the survival of the universe, but it is the universe which is sustaining him and causing his survival though he is not her creator. So his own being is the first cause of the existence of the universe. Therefore, the first point of reflection for a truthful philosopher is to find the reason  why the universe is at her service. This will lead him to find the first cause of his own existence. This will instantly lead him to the conclusion that he can not be one who causes the survival of the first cause of his own existence. Thinking otherwise will be a fallacy. The first cause must be living and surviving by His own self. He the Exalted is his Sustainer Lord Who is rightfully demanding that Humanity must show Him allegiance and servitude.

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2019, 03:28:22 PM »
who created God ?

BELIEVER : God is un-created.

ATHEIST : how ?

BELIEVER : becoz he is creator...

ATHEIST : what is the evidence of God ?

BELIEVER : Creation is the evidence. someone must need to be there for creating all this..

ATHEIST : If God can exist without being created why cant universe can exist without a creator ?

who created God,
our mind or a feeling that human being from start of his life think he/she need someone always ?

we created God ? or God created us ?

why its always happen the opposing side have upper hand always examples from history..

abraham smashed the idols and exposed the religious scam..
creationist vs evolutionist always evolution got upper hand ( like darwinism )

modern examples ( Richard Dawkins ) is giving a hard time to all fairy tale ideas from past.. and debaters struggling proving him wrong..

modern scientist ( Stephen hawkins) said there is no need for creator in the role of creating universe. and universe is not really perfect its very imperfect and hostile..

atheist always have upper hand even the show running by "Matt Dillahunty" known as The Atheist Experience since 1997 none yet provide them any satisfactory answers... seems they have upper hand in their shows always...

once an atheist said  "jesus was waiting on the cross but no help come"  :rotfl:  (osho) is his name if someone wana see his videos.

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 05:08:55 PM »

Either something created God or God always existed. If something created God then this creator of God existed longer than God. In mathematical form, this is TG2=TG1 + t1

Then the next question would be, who created this next God? Again, if another created this God, it would exist for TG3 = TG2 + t1+t2

This would go on forever so that at some point, a god would exist forever, which is what we already define God to be. God is defined as the Eternal and the First, therefore nothing created Him as He is the creator of all.
Atheists will still reject bringing up God so then you can ask the same thing about the universe. What created the universe or did it always exist. They don't believe it always existed so something had to exist longer than it.

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 03:13:34 AM »
Atheists will still reject bringing up God so then you can ask the same thing about the universe. What created the universe or did it always exist. They don't believe it always existed so something had to exist longer than it.

Yes this is an issue I like to bring up with atheists.

Most believe that it originated from a singularity (wherein the laws of physics break down and do not apply), and/or it came from nothing (which they claim is theoretically possible, but will almost certainly never be proven, and leads to other issues, e.g. multiverse). In both cases they are tacitly admitting it was unique/supernatural event.

We must remember that science has not and can never disprove God, the best that can be done is to show (at least theoretically) that there is no need for a God.
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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 04:43:10 AM »
Story of Universe

when universe started or  it always existed ?

recent studies showing it started at some point something 13.7 billion years ago..

further questions..

what was time before TIME ?
what was space before SPACE?

What is "NOTHING" ?

If first cause can come into being without the need of NOTHING or SOMETHING ?
why cannot second third fourth cause come in to being in a same way ?

at this point i want you guys ponder on "NOTHING" for a bit its freaking deep ..

NOTHING for human being is from which light can pass and example in a  empty room you can see the walls around you and in between wall and you is "NOTHING"  or when you see your hand infront of your face between ur hand and eyes  there is NOTHING..

same in space what we consider as nothing turn in to something we recently give it a name "DARK".. either matter or energy  compromises more than 95 % of something we can observe and see..

i wonder on people how  they come to conclusion about universe when we dnt know 95% of it ?

why we are so sure about GOD or universe when we have no idea about GOD @ 100 % and universe @95 % respectively..

5 % universe is there for us to explore and we did'nt  even understand or explore 0.0001 % of it..
100% God is not there for experiment so either for science or philosophy existence of God remains a mystery..

comparing these two and getting conclusion from them is not giving any help for scientist or philosophers  to get any results about God i think.. thats why atheists always have upper hand.

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2019, 12:00:21 PM »
This is the question which normally all Atheists ask to religious people.

Can someone give a satisfactory reply? or refer to any book where we can find the answer.

How do you guys tackle this question?

Thanks,
NK

Who Created God? Simply tell them " I dunno"

interesting enough you use the word "who" which implies
that God was created by an entity, so who created who that
created God and who created who that created the previous
who  ;D  anyway that knowledge is beyond our understanding.
Guidance is what's important.



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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2019, 12:33:42 PM »
Peace All.

GOD was not created. GOD always existed, exist now and will exist forever after.
GOD is the ever living, the eternal. GOD has no beginning nor will GOD have an end.

How do I know this? GOD tells me so in Qoran and I believe GOD.
How do I know Qoran is from GOD(That is another topic, Willing to discuss my view in the right thread)

If Athiests do not believe in GOD, why are they asking questions about GOD? This would be my answer to the Atheist:
To an Atheist ,GOD was never created ,as simple as that. GOD does not exist!
GOD bless you.
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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 06:03:03 PM »
[2:255] GOD - there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent Fount of All Being. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor sleep. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth. Who is there that could intercede with Him, unless it be by His leave? He knows all that lies open before men and all that is hidden from them, whereas they cannot attain to aught of His knowledge save that which He wills [them to attain]. His eternal power overspreads the heavens and the earth, and their upholding wearies Him not. And he alone is truly exalted, tremendous.

[23:91] Never did God take unto Himself any offspring, nor has there ever been any deity side by side with Him: [for, had there been any,] lo! each deity would surely have stood apart [from the others] in whatever it had created, and they would surely have [tried to] overcome one another! Limitless in His glory is God, [far] above anything that men may devise by way of definition,


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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 06:50:48 PM »
Atheists don't believe in God.  So for me there is no point trying to
convince them that God exists.  They are free to believe whatever
they want, there is no compulsion in the deen.  To them be their
way to me be mine.  Allah has no need of anyone.  An atheist today
may be a believer tomorrow and a believer today may be an atheist
tomorrow.  So it's okay for folks to have their point of view as long
others are not endangered.     :handshake:
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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2019, 02:56:50 AM »
This is the question which normally all Atheists ask to religious people.

Can someone give a satisfactory reply? or refer to any book where we can find the answer.

How do you guys tackle this question?

Thanks,
NK

Hi dude...
I am living practucally with cluster of Atheists and hadith based Muslims and with some Catholics... For Catholics and hadith based Muslims I don't find any issue with your question... Coz they don't ask... But for Atheists and Buddhist it is a serious question...
Dude if you experience such take it as positive.. Coz they may be better people than these hadith based Muslim and Catholics.. With experience I say... They are confused... They approach every time they see me non other about Quran and Muslim people... Let that interest be with them and you learn QURAN with utmost effort and try to solve their questions... You never know what they research... Coz atheist do research for sure... But hadith based and Catholics satisfied with what they have and adamant...

WHO CREATED GOD?   This is a question they normally not pose at the beginning but when they are trapped they pose this to entangle us and to spoil the discourse and to mock... So be calm...
You know what I say to them...
What difference will it make to you knowing the creator of non existing God in your brain...hoe can there be a creator when there is No God in your system.... Can anyone be a creator for a thing which doesn't exist... If you accept that God does exist then I will reply you who created Him.. Do you agree God exist?
They disperse calmly... Coz they can't accept God exist... But they mock who created Him
But some adamant saying that you Muslims believe and keep saying for everything God created God created.. This is headache...
I say that it is our belief but not yours,  if in case it is your belief as well then I will explain who created God... Will you be satisfied with any of the answer even I say who created God.. Then why you so curious... You research who created God by reading Quran or any other source you may come across.. If you have an answer just let me know... Then we debate...
Such dialogues are very common in my life...

Why first of all use the word "created" as if you know who created the rest...  atheist believe nothing is created and why not accept God is also not created... If God doesn't exist in your inner mind why going after everyone asking for who Created God...
Sometimes i say to them.. It is similar to asking everyone who stole my money while nothing he lost... Will there be a point searching his money....
So dear NK if you are believer then be calm... Coz you will never be able to satisfy them.. Only thing you do just ask them to read Quran.. Whether they read or not is immaterial...
Will our answers be satisfied to them while quran has answers to it which is from God whom they deny...

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Re: Who Created God?
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2019, 08:48:24 AM »
Peace NK,

How do you guys tackle this question?


CHILDREN’S Q&A

If the god created everything, who created the god? How can it be no one?

What is north of the North Pole?

Of course, children (and sometimes adults) will be perplexed by this question.

The answer is that the North Pole is what defines “north” for us. Therefore, the question itself is meaningless.

It is the god who created and defined the concept of “creation” itself and what it means to us. Our knowledge about the concept of creation is what he willed that we know:

2:255. ...and they do not envelop/know a thing from his knowledge, except with what he willed...

As a result, we can only comprehend some of the god’s attributes through what he tells us about himself in the great reading.

If I want to learn about you and hear what you have to say about yourself, for example, what you like and don’t like, then the best way is to ask you and not ask somebody who never saw or met you.

Nobody else other than the god can tell you absolutely true information about the god. That is why it is important to study the god’s written words, the great reading, and learn Arabic. It is also important to study the god’s unwritten words, which is the natural world that he created, by learning science, math, etc. at school. With this purpose in mind, everything that you do serves the god.


I wonder why the god created me.

The god created you and me, and every human to serve him:

51:56. And I did not create the fantasies and the humankind except to SERVE ME.

Our purpose in life is to fulfill the promise we made to serve the god:

36:60-61. Did I not entrust/make a covenant with you, Adam’s descendants, that you do not serve the devil, he truly is for you a clear/evident enemy, and that you SERVE ME, that is a straight path?


If the god already knows who is going to heaven or hell, why doesn’t he just put them there? If the god already knows I am going to do a bad thing tomorrow, how can I not do it? Why will the god punish me for it?

Think of it like a story where you can choose among several paths what happens next.

The god is the author of the book called life. He already created and knows all possible endings and paths. We only get to choose which path to take. The path of serving the god (the straight path) is the only path that leads to a happy ending.

If we could read ahead to the ending of the story, we would all select the path that leads to a happy ending and avoid the one that leads to a sad ending. People who choose the wrong path do it not because of the author but because they are not reading the story correctly.

The great reading is like a “cheat sheet” that tells us about the endings and helps us choose the path that leads to a happy ending and avoid the many paths that lead to a sad ending.
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