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Are meteors really missiles thrown at jinns by angels?

Started by NK, September 04, 2019, 04:04:46 PM

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Novice

Quote from: Layth on September 07, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
Salam.

I would say, yes.

Jinn to my understanding are beings made of energy - which means they could travel outside the atmosphere with no need for vehicles. However, they are restricted and are shot down with fiery projectiles that contain copper.

Salam Layth

How can energy be shot down with fiery projectiles that contain copper? Is energy an object flying in the space?

Would appreciate if you could explain it further.

Novice

What is energy? In a very basic understanding.

In physics, energy is the quantitative property that must be transferred to an object in order to perform work on, or to heat, the object. Energy is a conserved quantity; the law of conservation of energy states that energy can be converted in form, but not created or destroyed.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

Salaam

Jafar

Quote from: Layth on September 07, 2019, 12:55:47 PM
Salam.

I would say, yes.

Jinn to my understanding are beings made of energy - which means they could travel outside the atmosphere with no need for vehicles. However, they are restricted and are shot down with fiery projectiles that contain copper.

Superb...  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Novice

Quote from: Mazhar on September 07, 2019, 12:06:57 PM
For arriving at what is actually conveyed in a text, it is essential to know or determine the type of text. Purpose, language and format differs in various types of text.

You are the wise one. Just imagine a wave of energy travelling in space being shot down with a comet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet

A comet is an icy, small Solar System body that, when passing close to the Sun, warms and begins to release gases, a process called outgassing. This produces a visible atmosphere or coma, and sometimes also a tail. These phenomena are due to the effects of solar radiation and the solar wind acting upon the nucleus of the comet. Comet nuclei range from a few hundred metres to tens of kilometres across and are composed of loose collections of ice, dust, and small rocky particles. The coma may be up to 15 times the Earth's diameter, while the tail may stretch one astronomical unit. If sufficiently bright, a comet may be seen from the Earth without the aid of a telescope and may subtend an arc of 30° (60 Moons) across the sky. Comets have been observed and recorded since ancient times by many cultures.




Mazhar

Quote from: Novice on September 07, 2019, 02:10:56 PM
You are the wise one. Just imagine a wave of energy travelling in space being shot down with a comet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet

A comet is an icy, small Solar System body that, when passing close to the Sun, warms and begins to release gases, a process called outgassing. This produces a visible atmosphere or coma, and sometimes also a tail. These phenomena are due to the effects of solar radiation and the solar wind acting upon the nucleus of the comet. Comet nuclei range from a few hundred metres to tens of kilometres across and are composed of loose collections of ice, dust, and small rocky particles. The coma may be up to 15 times the Earth's diameter, while the tail may stretch one astronomical unit. If sufficiently bright, a comet may be seen from the Earth without the aid of a telescope and may subtend an arc of 30° (60 Moons) across the sky. Comets have been observed and recorded since ancient times by many cultures.

It was mentioned in my link given:

In old times, people observed certain objects appearing suddenly in the sky and behaving differently from planets. From their appearance they gave them the Greek name "Komet" meaning "hairy one, hair of the head". And today we call them "Comet", an astronomical object with long tail.

Man knows about "comets" for the last 2500 years and has observed and recorded about 2000 comets. At the time of revelation of Qur'ān, the appearance of large comets was regarded as atmospheric phenomenon and same was the perception of Aristotle. It was not regarded as celestial bodies:
"Appearances of large comets were regarded as atmospheric phenomena until 1577, when Danish astronomer Tycho Brahe proved that they were celestial bodies. In the 17th century British scientist Isaac Newton demonstrated that the movements of comets are subject to the same laws that control the planets in their orbits.

[source: Pasachoff, Jay M. "Comet." Microsoft® Encarta® 2006 [DVD]. Redmond, WA: Microsoft Corporation, 2005".

Grand Qur'ān had clarified their misconception 1400 years back that it were celestial bodies like the planets.




إِنَّا زَيَّنَّا ٱلسَّمَآءَ ٱلدُّنْيَا بِزِينَةٛ ٱلْـكَـوَاكِبِ .37:06٦

It is a fact that Our Majesty have adorned the Sky of the Lowly World-Earth with the attraction-beauty of the Planets. [37:06]

    Planets

وَحِفْظٙا مِّن كُلِّ شَيْطَٟنٛ مَّارِدٛ .37:07٧

And Our Majesty have made her (the Sky of the Earth) secure from every Cursed and condemned shai'taan/satan— [37:07]

لَّا يَسَّمَّعُونَ إِلَـىٰ ٱلْمَلَإِ ٱلۡأَعْلَـىٰ

They cannot make themselves to fully listen the talk of Assembly of Exalted Chiefs —

وَيُقْذَفُونَ مِن كُلِّ جَانِبٛ .37:08٨

And they are hurled/darted from every side — [37:08]

دُحُورٙاۖ

In the manner/for driving/expelling/banishing/pushing them away with violence [not to kill but to make them run away]—

وَلَـهُـمْ عَذابٚ وَاصِبٌ .37:09٩

-- Know it, a perpetual torment is prepared - in wait for them --. [37:09]

إِلَّا مَنْ خَطِفَ ٱلْخَطْفَةَ

Except regard to safety the one who clandestinely picked a cut piece of the talk —

فَأَتْبَعَهُۥ شِهَابٚ ثَاقِبٚ .37:10١٠

Thereupon, a piercing, shone and intensely glistened fire ball [Comet-read with 67:05] followed him  [37:10]

Another celestial body which is used for beautification and protection of the Sky of the Earthly world is:


وَزَيَّنَّا ٱلسَّمَآءَ ٱلدُّنْيَا بِمَصَٟبِيحَ وَحِفْظٙاۚ

And Our Majesty have adorned the lowest Sky of Lowly World-Earth with Comets, and have rendered it protected—[Refer 41:12]


وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا ٱلسَّمَآءَ ٱلدُّنْيَا بِمَصَٟبِيحَ

And Our Majesty have indeed decorated the lowest Sky of Earth with Comets—

          Comets

وَجَعَلْنَٟـهَا رُجُومٙا لِّلشَّيَٟطِيـنِۖ

And We have rendered them (comets) a source of stone-hurling for the Shai'teen [Evil Ones -Satans amongst species Jinn who rise in upper atmosphere to listen something]

وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَـهُـمْ عَذَابَ ٱلسَّعِيـرِ .67:05٥

And Our Majesty have prepared for them (Satans) the punishment of the scorching heat - Hell-Prison. [67:05]

The Arabic word: بِمَصَٟبِيحَ is much more reflective with great precision to describe the object than the word "komet" assigned by the Greeks. It becomes visible only when it reaches near the Sun.

This word stems from Root: ص ب ح means day break; it is the time when day becomes eminent and visible. It conveys the perception and meaning of the point of beginning. It reflects a visible position. And therefore it is used to call someone as beautiful, pretty or elegant peculiarly in the face, bright in the face. مُصبِج is the one who enters at the time of morning. اصبَجَ means hairy one with whiteness naturally intermixed in it with redness, shining hair.

The peculiar information about Comets is that His Majesty has rendered them: رُجُومٙا  stemming from Root: ر ج م which signifies the throwing, or casting, of stones. Today we know about Meteoroid: A small rocky or metal object, usually between the size of a grain of sand or a boulder, that orbits the sun; and Meteor: A meteoroid that enters the earth's atmosphere and vaporizes. Also called a "shooting star.". It originates from a comet or asteroid. And we know Meteor shower: A collection of meteors visible when earth passes through a trail of debris left by a comet.
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Novice

Quote from: Mazhar on September 07, 2019, 02:54:29 PM
The peculiar information about Comets is that His Majesty has rendered them: رُجُومٙا  stemming from Root: ر ج م which signifies the throwing, or casting, of stones. Today we know about Meteoroid: A small rocky or metal object, usually between the size of a grain of sand or a boulder, that orbits the sun; and Meteor: A meteoroid that enters the earth's atmosphere and vaporizes. Also called a "shooting star.". It originates from a comet or asteroid. And we know Meteor shower: A collection of meteors visible when earth passes through a trail of debris left by a comet.

What about usage of root  ر ج م at 18:22?

........سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلَـٰثَةٌ۬ رَّابِعُهُمۡ كَلۡبُهُمۡ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمۡسَةٌ۬ سَادِسُہُمۡ كَلۡبُہُمۡ رَجۡمَۢا بِٱلۡغَيۡبِ‌ۖ

Have you read the usage of this root in following link?

http://drvaniya.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Q59-Saba-aayah-53.pdf

hawk99

Peace Novice, all

What do you think of Muhammad Asad's Translation of 67:5?

[67:5] And, indeed, We have adorned the skies nearest to the
earth with lights, and have made them the object of futile
guesses for the evil ones  and for them have We readied
suffering through a blazing flame –

                                                             :peace:

The secret to monotheism can be found in the garden

NK

I like Muhammad Asad's translation and commentary on those verses.

Novice

Quote from: hawk99 on September 07, 2019, 06:21:31 PM
Peace Novice, all

What do you think of Muhammad Asad's Translation of 67:5?

[67:5] And, indeed, We have adorned the skies nearest to the
earth with lights, and have made them the object of futile
guesses for the evil ones  and for them have We readied
suffering through a blazing flame –

                                                             :peace:

Salaam hawk99

Thank you for the reference. That is what I was saying in my posts. Muhammad Asad was a sensible person.

Mazhar

Quote from: Novice on September 07, 2019, 05:10:42 PM
What about usage of root  ر ج م at 18:22?

........سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلَـٰثَةٌ۬ رَّابِعُهُمۡ كَلۡبُهُمۡ وَيَقُولُونَ خَمۡسَةٌ۬ سَادِسُہُمۡ كَلۡبُہُمۡ رَجۡمَۢا بِٱلۡغَيۡبِ‌ۖ

Have you read the usage of this root in following link?

http://drvaniya.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Q59-Saba-aayah-53.pdf


سَيَقُولُونَ ثَلٟثَةٚ رَّابِعُهُـمْ كَلْبُـهُـمْ

People will keep saying that they were three in number and fourth companion of them was their dog —

وَيَقُولُونَ خَـمْسَةٚ سَادِسُهُـمْ كَلْبُـهُـمْ رَجْـمَاۢبِٱلْغَيْبِۖ

And others will say that they were five in number and sixth companion of them was their dog, hurling imaginary thoughts

وَيَقُولُونَ سَبْعَةٚ وَثَامِنُـهُـمْ كَلْبُـهُـمْۚ

And yet others will say that they were seven in number and eighth companion was their dog.

قُل رَّبِّـى أَعْلَمُ بِعِدَّتِـهِـم مَّا يَعْلَمُهُـمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلٚۗ

You the Messenger [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] pronounce, "My Sustainer Lord knows most certainly the number of them; people do not know about them except a few ones [parents or government/police officials of the time when the boys initially went missing]

فَلَا تُمَارِ فِيـهِـمْ إِلَّا مِرَآءٙ ظَٟهِرٙا وَلَا تَسْتَفْتِ فِيـهِـم مِّنْـهُـمْ أَحَدٙا .18:22٢٢

Therefore, you should not enter into controversy about them except the evidently visible point [disclosed above] and nor you should enquire about them from any one of them. [18:22]
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