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Judaism and Islam same path?
« on: August 12, 2019, 08:49:15 PM »
This post highlights the similarities between Judaism and Islam and what Muslims are asking in Surah Fatiha

https://thequranspeaksforitself.wordpress.com/2019/08/12/8-surah-fatiha-and-jewish-history/

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Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2019, 12:32:29 AM »
The fatiha says what it says not what some may say it means. What the Qur'an means the Qur'an says. Anybody can earn God's anger and anybody can go stray and yes, as the final comment on the link says: the "Muslims" have done both things, a number of them, and I guess the same with any other label int he world past or present. nd I would also agree that even in the way "Muslims" have gone stray and attracted God's anger and that of Jews, there are many similarities, which is not surprising since the "Muslims" have imported plenty from certain "Judaist" ways.

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Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2019, 09:02:41 AM »
The same recipe and ingredients will produce the same dish.
Regardless of who the cook is.

That's why I do recommend Muslim (with capital M) to read the Gospel, especially Matt, Mark and Luke.
All of the hypocrisy shown by Judaist Rabbis as told in the Gospel can easily be found within today's Islamic clerics and kingdoms.

The Gospels can also be a good guide on how to act against such situation and also be prepared of the 'risk' of facing against such hypocrisy. (Death Threat, False Accusation, Torture and Murder)

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Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2019, 06:00:01 AM »
Yes Muslims should also study the Gospels and the history of Christianity it also involves Jewish history and geopolitical influence

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Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2019, 10:47:08 AM »
But still, since the romans destroyed the 2nd Jerusalem (the 2nd Jerusalem which can also be called new Jerusalem, after the Israelites returned from babylonian exile they established their state NOT in the original place of the promised land which is most probably located in Yemen - i strongly go along with Kamal Salibis theory which has more evidence then todays euro-centric narration) the Romans wrote History. Even if you read Flavius Jospehus' chroniks of the war or Pauls letters, they were all Romes agents. Christianity is a greco-roman religion, institutionalized by the Flavians - far away from the abrahamic truth based philosophy. A very pro-roman/byzantium religion which ignited anti.semitism because of the crucifixion doctrine. Its just absurd if you start to seriously observe christianity. A religion which is the most deceitful of em all - also produced such satanic orders like the Jesuits.

Judaism also became very dogmatic or ultra politicized zionist/freemasonic (doing anything possible to establish a western state in the orient mainly for wars, the money it makes and blood sacrifice, those wikced psychopaths who rule all those institutions are anything else but meek, they took the dark manifestation as their god - including financing the nazis to force european Jews to move to the desert or false flag attacks like 911 to justify their aggression on neighbor states) even though the majority of the Jews are not originated from the ancient Judea. Its all a scam. Even Islam as religion. Any sect of it is full of lies. To divide us.

Still there is Truth in the scriptures - but also deceitful propaganda. If you follow any of these religions - they will probably guide you to anything else then to the gardens beneath which rivers flow.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2019, 09:00:36 PM »
But still, since the romans destroyed the 2nd Jerusalem (the 2nd Jerusalem which can also be called new Jerusalem, after the Israelites returned from babylonian exile they established their state NOT in the original place of the promised land which is most probably located in Yemen - i strongly go along with Kamal Salibis theory which has more evidence then todays euro-centric narration) the Romans wrote History. Even if you read Flavius Jospehus' chroniks of the war or Pauls letters, they were all Romes agents.

The entire conception of "Promised Land" by itself is ridiculous, basically God made a real estate deal with a group of so-called colonialist "chosen" people just because they're descendants of a dude who are willing to murder his own son for his God. The real estate deal is signed with a mark on their penises.

The mark on their penises earn them the rights to own the so-called 'promised' land by sacrificing the aboriginal natives of their rights of stay, the true natives that is (Canaanites, Edomites, Philitistines) and not the 21st century Arabs / Palestinians (which mostly also has the same marks on their penises).

Thus any other concepts / dogma / ideology that stands above it are false by itself.

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Judaism also became very dogmatic or ultra politicized zionist/freemasonic

The dogmatic Judaism act as foundation role model for other dogmatic religions as it's evolved through time, namely Christianity and Islam.

Judaism was and is in conflict with Jewish Nationalist ideology named Zionism, in the same manner as Islam was and is in conflict with Arab Nationalist ideology. The zionist is not interested in founding a state based on religion named Judaism, yet they adopted the claim of land originally in Judaism as it serve their interest.

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Still there is Truth in the scriptures - but also deceitful propaganda. If you follow any of these religions - they will probably guide you to anything else then to the gardens beneath which rivers flow.

Agree, the scriptures titled Tanakh, Bible and Quran contain both truth and deceitfully ridiculous propaganda.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2019, 04:48:01 AM »
You are looking at it from a leftist mindset - there is nothing wrong with an ideology based on nationalism if it includes other ethnicities, in fact its a very strong sociological concept which holds people together. A nation can be multiethnical, which shares the same culture. I also didn't include the Qur'an into the previous scriptures.

Thats why such empires like the ancient Mongolia, Macedonia, Persia, Rome or the arabian Kalifate accomplished such outstanding campaigns. It was the national spirit combined with spirituality. All of them had a strong faith into their nation and their interpretation of GOD. Today the only nation which represent those is Russia - even though there are a lot of moles on the ruling seats.

Thats why the modern godless western civilization destroys such ideologies. They want one small number of "elite" ruling over the masses. And this is accomplished when you first of all destroy each individuals soul - capitalism and pop culture does this extremely good. Combine this with communism and you have a totalitarian rule over the masses. There is a big difference of ruling over and ruling with. You create something FOR the people and not against them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODGhEyLvk
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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2019, 01:16:29 AM »
You are looking at it from a leftist mindset - there is nothing wrong with an ideology based on nationalism if it includes other ethnicities, in fact its a very strong sociological concept which holds people together. A nation can be multiethnical, which shares the same culture. I also didn't include the Qur'an into the previous scriptures.

There is something TERRIBLY WRONG on any ideology/religion/ideas which based on WE are above THEM.

What classify as among US/WE and what classify as among THEM varies.. it can be based on lineage / descendant (Judaism,Zionism), Set of belief / tenets(Catholicism, Islamism), Vague definition of race / physical feature (White superiority, Nazi's Arianism), national identity (Facism, Nationalism, Japan Imperialism), language (Arab Nationalism), favorite football club (Hooliganism) and many others

When "Uber Alles" attitude sprung up, injustice shall follows.. it has been a common pattern throughout human history.

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Thats why such empires like the ancient Mongolia, Macedonia, Persia, Rome or the arabian Kalifate accomplished such outstanding campaigns.

I'm not a fans of massive invasion as performed by Genghis Khan, Alexander, Roman Emperors or Arabian Caliphate. It's just yet another example of Uber Alles attitude which I've mentioned above.

I'm somewhat amazed by the invasion as performed by Cyrus, it's among the first empire in history which laid out the foundation stone of Secularism and equal human rights for all citizens.


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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2019, 04:23:23 AM »
It is how it is - history showed us that you either dominate or get dominated. The other thing is whether your ambitions are righteous/based on justice for humanity, the animals and earth or for the exploitation of the earth, humans and animals for owns morbid/abyssal greed and wickedness.
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Re: Judaism and Islam same path?
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2019, 10:27:29 PM »
It is how it is - history showed us that you either dominate or get dominated. The other thing is whether your ambitions are righteous/based on justice for humanity, the animals and earth or for the exploitation of the earth, humans and animals for owns morbid/abyssal greed and wickedness.

Relationship work out based on mutual benefit, even the king depends on the commoners and vice versa.
about the topic,

A  lot of similarities exists even between mainstream Islamic principals and other religions even with polytheistic religions, Quran accepts all previous prophets and their blessed status, it brings in concept of the qibla of Haram(being pure in thoughts and actions) which is being followed by so many other polytheistic sects in their pilgrimage, fasting and prayers,  its not so isolated as its being portrayed commonly in the current media and  some so called preachers bringing in hate filled ideologies with empty pride of 'Iam High and more blessed than you' just for being associating them self to a group/sect, which is completely not Islamic. Does a person become a muslim just for getting himself associated with a group, or saying some words or following some rituals, never.

Quran messages should be seen as medicines to cure the diseases Mohammed encountered in his society, we definitely need to see the situations and the environment that those are applied upon then  and take only the principles as how the same can be applied on us now rather than simply copying it blindly.