Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha

[ibn_a]

Salaam,

peace,

Quote :

I think that when his son said: ... you will find me, if God willed, of the patient ones. / ... satajiduni, in sha'a Allahu, mina alssabireena,
refers to the MOMENT ( if3al ma tu amru i.e  when Abraham would do what he saw in his dream),
and NOT AFTER:  if3al ma tu amru.

if3al ma tu amru : do what you order in the present,
Abraham's vision :  He did not say I was ordered to do.

Peace Houriya,

When his son said "if3al ma tu amru", what was he referring to?

[Wakas]

It's that time of the year again (according to Traditional Islam):

Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

Associated article: Questions to ask yourself about the traditional story
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html

[Houriya]

Peace Wakas,

Excellent article and beautiful photos.

Abraham's vision is similar to the vision of the king, which was interpreted by Joseph : 7 lean cows that eat 7 fat cows ...

Happy Eid Elkebir Day, just kidding, without offense to the people who celebrate it.

Peace

It's that time of the year again (according to Traditional Islam):

Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

Associated article: Questions to ask yourself about the traditional story
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html

[Wakas]

Mufti Abu Layth attempts to reconcile the verses:
https://youtu.be/Lt3IxKtL_54?t=2811

Reasonable effort but you will note in terms of Quranic analysis it falls short. I find it interesting how many will claim Quran is so eloquent, such sublime style etc but when it comes to interpreting difficult passages they will interpolate frequently, and claim God really meant this God really meant that etc. That doesn't sound eloquent to me.

[Wakas]

Abraham will experience / observe his son's patience? ( i.e. no separation?)

That's a decent point and yes it could imply that. We'd have to research all similar occurrences to be sure.

It could be argued when Abraham said goodbye and left he found his son to be patient AND he was later given news of his son as a prophet implying he was of the righteous and thus of the patient ones.

In addition to what I said above. It could also be argued it could refer to Abraham living the rest of his life not hearing about his son searching for him or trying to meet him etc.

[Wakas]

It's that time of the year again (according to Traditional Islam):

Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

Associated article: Questions to ask yourself about the traditional story
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html

See above.

[Wakas]

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It's that time of the year again (according to Traditional Islam):

Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html

Associated article: Questions to ask yourself about the traditional story
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html

[tlihawa]

Salaam,
I do believe God told Ibrahim to sacrifice his son. There is a great lesson in Ibrahim and Musa's stories regarding "killing innocent people". Where we can see that Ibrahim passed and Musa did not pass the test. Of course this is not to compare between God's messengers, because we are not allowed to differentiate between them, but this is more to the wisdom that we must place God's revelation above conscience.

Ibrahim passed because he put revelation on top of his conscience. Musa failed because he prioritized his conscience rather than instructions from someone who was given the way by God, the revelation itself.

This is not a kind of test that is given to us in our daily life, we will not be tested to kill our son or daughter, or let someone kill for no reason.

But this is for us to always prioritize God's revelation above our personal judgement.

We are Muslims and we surrender to God. God really knows what is best for us, and in many cases, what is good for us is not necessarily what we want based on our personal judgement.

2:216   Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; and God knows while you do not know.

Peace

[jkhan]

Salaam,
I do believe God told Ibrahim to sacrifice his son. There is a great lesson in Ibrahim and Musa's stories regarding "killing innocent people". Where we can see that Ibrahim passed and Musa did not pass the test. Of course this is not to compare between God's messengers, because we are not allowed to differentiate between them, but this is more to the wisdom that we must place God's revelation above conscience.

Ibrahim passed because he put revelation on top of his conscience. Musa failed because he prioritized his conscience rather than instructions from someone who was given the way by God, the revelation itself.

This is not a kind of test that is given to us in our daily life, we will not be tested to kill our son or daughter, or let someone kill for no reason.

But this is for us to always prioritize God's revelation above our personal judgement.

We are Muslims and we surrender to God. God really knows what is best for us, and in many cases, what is good for us is not necessarily what we want based on our personal judgement.

2:216   Warfare has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; and God knows while you do not know.

Peace

Salam.  ..

You got it wrong. Without any hesitation I confirm you.. When our personal preferences go beyond Quran's real meaning then even a believer falters..

1... Prove that God advises evil..  Never.. War to deliver innocent people or if intention of war only to stand against rebellious people who harm innocent of any nature then war is never hateful though it sheds blood.. Never compare that to killing innocent people.. Ibrahim got that wrong.. Ibrahim assured to himself the dream unfortunately..

2.... Prove that in Musa's story he killed that boy... You can never, you will never coz no one killed the boy. I challenge you and anyone that you will never be able to prove within Quran that boy was killed and REPLACED with another boy... Never.. See my translation of the verse which is in concern for you. .. https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9612311.0
When you claim something from Quran then prove it. otherwise never claim.. Isn't it? So don't escape from my challenge..

God never commands through dreams.. God commands through literal SPEACH, through a Messenger and thirdly inspiration... Ibrahim got that terribly wrong.. Saved him and his son from a terrible horrendous human slaughter just coz he was a good person God showed mercy.. Otherwise God never interferes with what human does.

Note.. In Quran,  mana or ru'ya.. dream is always meant to be interpreted. Dream never gives direct meaning and it requires special teaching from God to get the meaning of dream.. It always gives other meaning than what it really showed in dream.. So in that sense also Ibrahim got it wrong. Ibrahim saw sacrificing and he attempted sacrificing literally .. Took direct meaning.. Ibrahim could have asked God to clarify instead but he decided on his own where there is no command at all..

I know you have something totally against to what I say but Quran's truth stands above all mean speculations..  Speak with Quran and let's see you speak truth or Quran does.

Thank you.. Ponder with calmness and not to overcome me but to reflect Quran's truth,  then I am sure you will know you are wrong here..

[tlihawa]

Salaam,

I know you have something totally against to what I say but Quran's truth stands above all mean speculations..  Speak with Quran and let's see you speak truth or Quran does.

Thank you.. Ponder with calmness and not to overcome me but to reflect Quran's truth,  then I am sure you will know you are wrong here..

Just consider that's your truth and I have mine.

I know why you're thinking that way, and I don't have to prove anything. I just don't agree the way you thinking and some rules/standard you have setup on your framework. So you have to understand that you cannot bring me to your standard and vice versa.

I'm here just to share my opinion, God is fully aware of who is best guided, not you and not me.

17:84   Say: "Let each work according to his own. Your Lord is fully aware of who is best guided to the path."

So my suggestion, stop thinking that you're the only center of the truth, and you're the only "Quran". Just share your opinion, I'm fully understand the way you're thinking, and I don't blame you for that.

I just don't like people when they asked for feedback on their opinion and when someone disagree on him, suddenly he become prophet Shuaib talking to non believers.

You have to learn on how to agree to disagree.

Peace