Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha

[centi50]

It's a very good question.. But for us now there is no answer but whatever they were, they were continuous 4 months..

The day Allah created everything four months were restricted for whatever reasons.. And this was well known to people where Ibrahim lived and then onward Haj/debate on Monotheism continued with all prophets.. Allah doesn't need to re-confirm those well-known months which are restricted.. And with Mohamed's demise Haj/debate ended and restricted months changed and people invented...and Haj became a ritual of latest group...

That's my view Brother Centi50... patiently wait for Brother Waqas's reply..

Salam Jkhan

Thanks for the reply. This is one of the Satanic book of hadiths throw to us. If Quran is complete where do we find the four restricted months.


I will wait for Wakas and any member who can have an idea of what these months are.


God bless you

[centi50]

Salam to all,

Bro Wakas can you please tell me what are the restricted months

Waiting for your kind input and your understanding


God bless all

[Wakas]

peace,

I have not really studied when during the year the four inviolable months/moon-cycles/full-moons are but Quran strongly suggests they are consecutive: e.g.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.0

Read all thread and post by bro Ayman.

[amin]

I think, in the pre islamic current calendar, Ramadan Month, Should fall around September to October, during which the moon will be bright and bigger as the month name suggests, ie. the Harvest moon period and this month is the breeding season, when hunting or even eating nonveg is prohibited in different communities, as the small ones needs to survive, for the sustainable natural availability of food for everyone. Seasons do affect any pilgrimage customs, as the rivers starts seeing more water after rainy seaons and crossing those will be difficult, so this also should be considered for pilgrimage and travel, also season of pilgrimage should be pleasant one and not the harsh summer. So I think the Hajj falling on December month should be right.

[Wakas]

peace,

I have not really studied when during the year the four inviolable months/moon-cycles/full-moons are but Quran strongly suggests they are consecutive: e.g.

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.0

Read all thread and post by bro Ayman.

I am writing an article on it currently. Here is an interesting snippet:

Quote:

Quran 9:1-2 mentions an acquittal/release from a treaty with some polytheists and tells them they have amnesty/ceasefire for 4 months/moons and then in 9:3 it mentions this announcement on the greatest day of the hajj or day of the greatest hajj (doesn't seem to matter which interpretation is chosen) but follows in 9:5 by saying when the plural inviolable months/moons have peeled/stripped-off/passed (see Project Root Llist for further evidence of the consecutive nature of this word "inSaLaKHha") then those who broke the treaty can be fought. Note the Arabic plural means 3 or more.
I initially thought The Quran was repeating the same acquittal/release in 9:1 in 9:3 again but I should have realised Quran's word precision is there for a reason. The 1st time it mentions 4 months, 2nd time it mentions when 3 or more inviolable months have peeled away. Also note how the beginning of each verse 9:3, 9:4 and 9:5 are linked to each other.
Thus the wording from 9:1-5 suggests the clear possibility that the 4 inviolable months/moons begin - then on the 2nd inviolable moon/month the hajj/homage periods can begin. This aligns with 2:197 which states "hajj are the months (plural: ashurun) well known". Remember the Arabic plural is 3 or more thus a minimum of 3 months/moons are allowed for hajj. If so this would match with 9:1-5.
The question then becomes what could be the first month/moon of the inviolable months/moons (if the last 3 are for the hajj)? The only other "named/described" month/moon given in Quran is "shahr ramadan" so this becomes the obvious candidate.

It just so happens when The Quran introduces "shahr ramadan" and then "al hajj" in chapter 2 it is in this order, i.e. ramadan first then discusses hajj.

We can prove from Quran that "al hajj" and "ramadan" do not coincide (i.e. same month/moon) because in the nights of abstinence one is allowed sexual relations with one's spouse (2:187) but when one is undertaking "al hajj" this is not allowed (2:197) and is only allowed after one fulfills/completes their hajj (which is a minimum of 2 days) see 2:203. Also see 2:196 in which abstinence is given as an option for expiation but this would make little sense if one was already abstaining/fasting in ramadan. And lastly exemption is given for abstinence if traveling but undertaking the hajj would likely involve traveling so seems a mixed message.

[centi50]

I am writing an article on it currently. Here is an interesting snippet:

Quote:

Quran 9:1-2 mentions an acquittal/release from a treaty with some polytheists and tells them they have amnesty/ceasefire for 4 months/moons and then in 9:3 it mentions this announcement on the greatest day of the hajj or day of the greatest hajj (doesn't seem to matter which interpretation is chosen) but follows in 9:5 by saying when the plural inviolable months/moons have peeled/stripped-off/passed (see Project Root Llist for further evidence of the consecutive nature of this word "inSaLaKHha") then those who broke the treaty can be fought. Note the Arabic plural means 3 or more.
I initially thought The Quran was repeating the same acquittal/release in 9:1 in 9:3 again but I should have realised Quran's word precision is there for a reason. The 1st time it mentions 4 months, 2nd time it mentions when 3 or more inviolable months have peeled away. Also note how the beginning of each verse 9:3, 9:4 and 9:5 are linked to each other.
Thus the wording from 9:1-5 suggests the clear possibility that the 4 inviolable months/moons begin - then on the 2nd inviolable moon/month the hajj/homage periods can begin. This aligns with 2:197 which states "hajj are the months (plural: ashurun) well known". Remember the Arabic plural is 3 or more thus a minimum of 3 months/moons are allowed for hajj. If so this would match with 9:1-5.
The question then becomes what could be the first month/moon of the inviolable months/moons (if the last 3 are for the hajj)? The only other "named/described" month/moon given in Quran is "shahr ramadan" so this becomes the obvious candidate.

It just so happens when The Quran introduces "shahr ramadan" and then "al hajj" in chapter 2 it is in this order, i.e. ramadan first then discusses hajj.

We can prove from Quran that "al hajj" and "ramadan" do not coincide (i.e. same month/moon) because in the nights of abstinence one is allowed sexual relations with one's spouse (2:187) but when one is undertaking "al hajj" this is not allowed (2:197) and is only allowed after one fulfills/completes their hajj (which is a minimum of 2 days) see 2:203. Also see 2:196 in which abstinence is given as an option for expiation but this would make little sense if one was already abstaining/fasting in ramadan. And lastly exemption is given for abstinence if traveling but undertaking the hajj would likely involve traveling so seems a mixed message.

Salam Wakas,

Did you finish your article on the subject of the four restricted months?

God bless