Does The Quran say God told Abraham to sacrifice his son? - Eid Al Adha

[hawk99]

Is anything you have said actually based on Quran? If so please provide the evidence.

Peace Wakas, perhaps I should clarify my position.

No, Allah does not advocate evil [7:28] [16:90].  Abraham's dream
was his own. (nowhere in Quran does it state that Abrahams
dream was from Allah, Muhammad's dream as well as Yusuf's dream
were both from Allah) His intention was to obey Allah but like many who
commit evil acts in the name of Allah he thought that it was Allah who
was inspiring him. By Allah's blessing and grace and brother
Abraham's reflection [6:75]-[6:83] he used his God given
blessing of reflection to reach the right conclusion.

                                                   

[Iyyaka]

Peace Wakas, perhaps I should clarify my position.

No, Allah does not advocate evil [7:28] [16:90].  Abraham's dream
was his own. (nowhere in Quran does it state that Abrahams
dream was from Allah, Muhammad's dream as well as Yusuf's dream
were both from Allah) His intention was to obey Allah but like many who
commit evil acts in the name of Allah he thought that it was Allah who
was inspiring him. By Allah's blessing and grace and brother
Abraham's reflection [6:75]-[6:83] he used his God given
blessing of reflection to reach the right conclusion.

Peace hawk99,

(1)
You have reason to underline Abraham's reflection but please note this sentence from Allah :

37 :106 :
this (was) surely [it] the trial CLEAR in itself.

(2)
Also, Ishmael says "if allah intends" in 37:102 so the vision comes from Allah without doubt.

Salam

[good logic]

How can a  student of Qoran even consider that GOD would do such a thing?

Have a look again at GOD s attributes!!!!
My GOD of Qoran would not order Fahisha/Murder....What? Would GOD contradict Himself? Subhannah Allah!!!

Thou shall not kill is one of the commands. Do not even contemplate the idea.

End of the argument. Or are we looking for a verse that clearly indicates "GOD did not instruct Abraham and had nothing to do with the vision"?
it is clear that one cannot find the verse that clearly identifies the dream to be from GOD? Is that not enough?

GOD bless.
Peace.

[Iyyaka]

How can a  student of Qoran even consider that GOD would do such a thing?

Have a look again at GOD s attributes!!!!
My GOD of Qoran would not order Fahisha/Murder....What? Would GOD contradict Himself? Subhannah Allah!!!

Thou shall not kill is one of the commands. Do not even contemplate the idea.

End of the argument. Or are we looking for a verse that clearly indicates "GOD did not instruct Abraham and had nothing to do with the vision"?
it is clear that one cannot find the verse that clearly identifies the dream to be from GOD? Is that not enough?

GOD bless.
Peace.

Salam Good logic,

Do you adress your critic to me ? Because i NEVER say that the vision was about to kill his son (Read my previous interventions in différents threads + it contradict the Basmala and surah 113-114).
Otherwise sorry for this post.

Peace

[good logic]

My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
.
It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Iyyaka]

My post was not addressed to you in particular brother Iyyaka.
.
It was addressing the title of the topic. i.e Of course Qoran never said "GOD told Abraham to sacrifice his son...".
Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Ok 
Some might think it's a lot of energy to spend on braham history and this small ayat (37:102) but I think it's the heart of our vision of God that is at stake and this vision influences our behavior.
We can say "I put my trust (not Believe) in Allah" but which Allah? This is a fundamental question that must also allow us to have a "Rhamanic" reading of the Qur'an.
Peace and god bless u

[hawk99]

Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say:

"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."

Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"

                                           

[Jafar]

Kim Il Sun: Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?

Kim Jong Il: Do as you please dad.

Kim Il Sun:  ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **

Kim Jong Suk: STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
                        That's it.. I had enough with this!!
                        Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse..  your dad is F&*ng insane!!
                        As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!

[imrankhawaja]

Kim Il Sun: Son, what do you say if I kill you as a sacrifice to our Korean gods?

Kim Jong Il: Do as you please dad.

Kim Il Sun:  ** Lifting his dagger to kill his own son **

Kim Jong Suk: STOP!!! WTF are you doing!! Il Suk!! Are you F&*ng insane? He's our child!!!
                        That's it.. I had enough with this!!
                        Jong Il!!! Come with Mama.. we're leaving this nuthouse..  your dad is F&*ng insane!!
                        As for you Il Sun!! That's it.. I had enough of this.. I'm filing for a divorce.. and you don't deserve any parental rights!!

in old times people were  so sure that God pleased with the color of blood , hence sins can only wash with the help of blood sacrifice..

SACRIFICE type of feelings and actions are assets to human values therefore stories related with sacrifice leave impression on heart and mind of people..

even in this time/space we have to sacrifice ourselves in lot of things to achieve a status of having in someones good books...

millions of poor animals are still paying the price of sacrifice in the name of that event.. blood thirsty land and the land owners cant get rid of coloring the land with red, its a cultural insanity transfer from tradition to tradition in different make up..

years ago i watched a movie Apocalypto even on the other side of world not yet discovered by ancient people, that practice of maya civilisation  was going on there ..

the ending part of movie was interesting as soon human get rid from one concept of ignorance another new ignorant concept is waiting for him.

[Wakas]

peace,

Peace Wakas, I do like your analogy of the father and son's heartfelt
separation, but when you say:

"No mention of a misinterpreted dream is found in Quran, and this position
requires us to believe that both Abraham and his son misinterpreted it,
which seems unlikely. Note that his son clearly thought it was a command."

Could it not be that his son simply believed his father and replied "do as you are
commanded"

Abraham asked his son for his view (i.e. "look what you see?"), so this suggests his son did exactly that, i.e. gave Abraham his considered opinion. Essentially he concurred with Abraham, emphasising to do as he has been commanded and he (the son) will be of the patient ones, if God willed.
Yes but the son did not object to anything