Author Topic: Nineteen years trying to figure out Ramadan and I still don't get it.  (Read 1157 times)

Jane

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Since 2000 then when I was studying Islam intensively at school in R.E. lessons.

2 translations of the Quran purchased.

Both of them read all the way through at least once.

Numerous other translations studied.

A few visits to Arab countries.

A few friendships with Sunnis.

A few years being a member of the Rashad Kahalifa cult.

8 years membership of this forum.

Many threads read about it on this and other websites.

Lots of time pondering it on my own.

Several attempts at Ramadan Sunni style (including one successful month).

A fair amount of mockery from family.

NINETEEN YEARS.

A whole Metonic cycle?(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonic_cycle)

But I still don't understand what the instruction is! The thing that currently makes the most sense to me is to fast the full moon following the summer solstice, so 3 days, darkness excluded. But even then I am not sure if it applies to people outside of Arabia as well or even if women are included at all?!

I don't even know how to spell it! Is it Ramadan or Ramadhan or Ramazan? I have seen all three used.

Kill me.

Just kill me now.

 :giveup:
PEACE

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Peace Jane.

Qoran s instructions starts from a very simple thing of GOD awareness which is "libas Al Taqwa". i.e believe in GOD and believe GOD if you think GOD sent a message.
If a relationship follows, it will take time and effort. GOD s trial of the individual and their true/honest conviction.

The minimum criteria is to be honest with yourself and start from the basics of being a good, just, peaceful person  Work on your character.to cleanse your spiritual self from bad like hate ,jealousy, back biting....etc.

Good works, fairness, justice  and a good character contribute to the special relationship with your Creator. The rest like Salat. Sawm….etc are irrelevant without the basics.
Then GOD will reciprocate and works with you on understanding more. GOD knows you better than you know yourself. Trust in Him and works only with Him as far as your redemption is concerned. GOD Alone is your teacher and Wakeel.
As for all other humans, interact and socialise with them but Qoran should be your only source of salvation as you understand it now. Only change when you clearly see proof that you have to change.
Best of luck sister.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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peace,

8:29
O you who believe, if you are aware of God (taqwa), He makes/creates for you a criterion (separation of Right and Wrong), and He covers/substitutes from you your sins, and forgives for you, and God (is owner) of the grace/favour/blessing, the great.
-my current understanding. Verify for yourself-17:36.
"Inform My servants that I am the Forgiver, the Merciful. And that My punishment is a painful retribution." [15:49-50]

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Jafar

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Kill me.

Just kill me now.

 :giveup:

Have you ever think that perhaps it's time to rethink back the basic?
What is islam in the first place?

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How do you mean basic? Reading the Qur'an in Arabic?

I've read my english Qur'an translation all the way through twice. I can only read a translation so I'm dependent on Arab speakers but since even Arabs can't agree what
'Shahr Ramadan' means how I am supposed to work it out.

Sometimes I think Ramadan is only decreed for people of the same ethnic group as Muhammad, maybe they're the only ones who are allowed to grasp the specific instruction. All the rest of us are led astray since it's not for us.
 :-\ :-\ :-\
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Salam/Peace sister Jane. You should check out these videos, it's about Ramadhan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvBSB7o_-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvuVsqqP_lw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPjv5w4eVBg

Interesting videos. Thanks a lot.
Although I am even more confused now...  :'(
PEACE

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Interesting videos. Thanks a lot.
Although I am even more confused now...  :'(
Oh? How so? What were your research before you watched the 3 videos.

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Salam/Peace,

The Ramadhan topic is somewhat difficult because it is easy to use wrong data points and end-up with incorrect conclusions.

To use the meaning of the word "Ramadhan" as "Scorching Heat /or/ First Rain" will lead people to a conclusion that Ramadhan can be anywhere from June-August - hence the moon discussion starts creeping in with the "Blood Moon" being suggested as an indicator of which month of summer the fast should be in.

However, if you read more into the Quran, you will find that the Arabs had been guilty of "manipulating" the sacred months by distorting the times to insert the extra month (intercalary) thata balanced the lunar and solar calendars:

"In the use of the intercalary exists an increase in rejection; that those who have rejected may misguide with it. They make it permissible one calendar year, and forbid it one calendar year, so as to circumvent the count of what God has made forbidden; thus they make permissible what God has made forbidden. Their evil works have been adorned for them, and God does not guide the rejecting people." (9:37)

Therefore, when the Quran was revealed, the Arabic months were already out of sync with the seasons they were originally designed in...Even modern narrations put the time of revelation on 22nd December 609 A.D. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran).

Ignoring the above, it is simple to find the true Ramadhan by looking at the Quranic clues:

- Jesus was born when the dates were ripe - August/September (19:25).
- Jesus was conceived with the Spirit + Angels coming to Myriam (19:17, 3:55).
- The Night of Destiny (in which the Quran was revealed) is the night the Spirit + Angels descend (97:4)
- The Quran was revealed in the month Ramadhan (2:185)

Therefore: Conception of Jesus (December) = Night of Destiny = Ramadhan
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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What makes more sense to me is the equinox, eother north or south because it would not change all that much that it is south or north, whereas with the scorching whatever, it turns always into those defferences where some people have to fast for one hour and other people have to fast 23 hours.

As to using the Christian calendars to fix Isa's birthday... it may be like jumping from the pan into the fire.

Salaam