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An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« on: May 23, 2019, 09:52:35 AM »
Salam/Peace everyone. I just came across a Ex-Muslim who seemed to "exposed miracles" of Qur'an and i wonder if any of you can help me on this.

Now i noticed in of his points about "Egg-Earth or Flat Earth" which he uses like dahaha, brother Qur'an Centric has made 2 videos about the Earth shape and he touched on the root word definitions of the words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hOQfxtqPj0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-YBkg4IY84

The Ex-Muslim known as Amar Khan also seems use verses like the Iron Sign (57:25) to make it look like it's not a miracle because it was known before Muhammad. Here is a problem of his claim. While the Qur'an IS a revelation, it's also a REMINDER, Qur'an does contain some new revealing things, there is also REMINDERS in the Qur'an (38:1, 21:10)

https://www.scribd.com/document/31782370


I hope i am not putting a burden to you siblings. I just don't have enough much scientific knowledge on branches like embryology or astronomy and i hope anyone here who is willing to review critically on this.

P.S My advice is check the context of the verses.

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2019, 10:44:57 AM »
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Now i noticed in of his points about "Egg-Earth or Flat Earth" which he uses like dahaha,



And after this discharge of heat of the Sky He the Exalted rendered her (the Earth) like the communal ostrich pit for spawning. [79:30]

The verb stems from Root: د ح و/ى. Ibn Faris (died 1105) stated in his famous lexicon: "That it leads to the perception of outstretching and softening the ground as a settlement. And from it is the communal pit-settlement of ostrich, a place wherein it spawns, it is so called since he makes the settlement with his feet and afterwards eggs are laid therein. It does not denote "ostrich nest".

Lane's Lexicon has rendered it like this:

"inf. n. دَحْوٌ, He spread; spread out, or forth; expanded; or extended; ---also, said of an ostrich, he expanded, and made wide, with his foot, or leg, the place where he was about to deposit his eggs:

أُدْحِىٌّ  , [originally أُدْحُوىٌ, of the measure أُفْعُولٌ from دَحَيْتُ, but said in the S to be of that measure from دَحَوْتُ, the dial.var. دَحَيْتُ not being there mentioned,] and إِِدْحِىٌّ and ↓ أُدْحِيَّةٌ and ↓ أُدْحُوَّةٌ , The place of the laying of eggs, and of the hatching thereof,) of the ostrich, in the sand; because that bird expands it, and makes it wide, with its foot, or leg; for the ostrich has no [nest such as is termed] عُشّ:" unquote

The most prominent relationship with this Root is that of ostrich. It is the world's largest and heaviest surviving bird, and so are their eggs largest in the world 5.9 inches long and 5.1 inches wide and weighing in at around 3-5 pounds each.

Because the ostrich has an elongated neck and large protruding eyes shadowed by long lashes, it has been likened to a camel, the most liked mammal of Arabs. (Its scientific name is Struthio camelus!) Ostriches can also withstand hot temperatures and go for long periods of time without water, usually getting enough moisture from the plants they eat.

They generally live together in small groups led by a dominant male and a dominant female. After copulation, the male creates what is known as a communal pit in the Earth; 12?24 inches deep and almost 10ft wide. The dominant female then lays her eggs first before being followed by others in the group.

It is thus evident that if the subject of verb   with suffixed pronoun for the Earth is the male Ostrich, it will exclusively signify the aforementioned act and the affect upon Earth.

Therefore, the irreducible semantic feature of this root is the setting of Earth as a settlement for spawning: to produce offspring in large numbers, and its communal aspect.

Grand Qur?ān has used many Roots for explaining the distinct-unique features and information about the Earth?geodetics engineering. Although there may seemingly be some overlapping aspects while transferring their concepts in English language, but every Root has unique features of its own.

http://haqeeqat.pk/EarthHistory.htm

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2019, 10:57:02 AM »
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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2019, 10:59:11 AM »
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Try this: https://www.scribd.com/document/31782370/Miracles-of-the-Quran-Exposed   

P.S Forgot to mention, he uses some hadiths.

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2019, 11:16:21 AM »
Try this: https://www.scribd.com/document/31782370/Miracles-of-the-Quran-Exposed   

P.S Forgot to mention, he uses some hadiths.

We need not be allergic to "hadith". Epistemology of Testimony is itself a branch of knowledge.

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2019, 11:18:49 AM »

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2019, 11:20:39 AM »
Huh that's odd. Can anyone else check it out? Otherwise a google search may have to do. And remember what i stated above.

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2019, 08:08:47 PM »
. I just don't have enough much scientific knowledge on branches like embryology or astronomy and i hope anyone here who is willing to review critically on this.

thats why you are struggling my brother,

first of all get knowledge instead of wasting your precious time on consprisy theorists and low-profiled people like dr kashif and amar and flat earthers  you should read SCIENCE, EMBRYOLOGY, HISTORY, GRAMMER etc once you have a grip on things then its easy for you to locate their stupidity faster than the speed of light...

LOOK an example...

The original composition date or century for the Kamasutra is unknown. Historians have variously placed it between 400 BCE and 300 CE

and this STUPID claims Indians copied this from Bukhari and company  :rotfl:

i can fill this post with more stupidities , but i want YOU to find out by yourself.. (for this give yourself 3 years of studying all those things what i suggested you above)  just one thing is enough to expose someone stupidity and lies i wonder how people even think about wasting their time reading all those stuff that filled with lot of lies and mis-information.


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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2019, 08:34:29 PM »
thats why you are struggling my brother,

first of all get knowledge instead of wasting your precious time on consprisy theorists and low-profiled people like dr kashif and amar and flat earthers  you should read SCIENCE, EMBRYOLOGY, HISTORY, GRAMMER etc once you have a grip on things then its easy for you to locate their stupidity faster than the speed of light...

LOOK an example...

The original composition date or century for the Kamasutra is unknown. Historians have variously placed it between 400 BCE and 300 CE

and this STUPID claims Indians copied this from Bukhari and company  :rotfl:

i can fill this post with more stupidities , but i want YOU to find out by yourself.. (for this give yourself 3 years of studying all those things what i suggested you above)  just one thing is enough to expose someone stupidity and lies i wonder how people even think about wasting their time reading all those stuff that filled with lot of lies and mis-information.
Is there a good place for finding this knowledge? Also good to see you again brother Imran.

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Re: An Critic on Qur'anic Ayats
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2019, 08:53:40 PM »
Is there a good place for finding this knowledge? Also good to see you again brother Imran.

you/we are so lucky at  this time/space knowledge is just in the movements of your/our fingertips... what you NEED is time for getting that knowledge

good to see you too.