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Amra94

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Is it okay to get cats fixed
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:06:12 AM »
Do you believe it's right to spay or neuter cats or is it wrong because you're "changing the creation of God"?

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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 09:57:17 AM »
Do you believe it's right to spay or neuter cats or is it wrong because you're "changing the creation of God"?

Interesting question Amra94, we once had a cat that was not
fixed and it urinated throughout the house.  We had another
cat we let live inside/outside and it came back with fleas.
We took it to the vet for treatment $$$.  The cat we have now
is fixed, no problems, she lives peacefully as a housecat she is a
constant companion   :)



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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 11:37:30 AM »
also cat is good for hunting rats. first she played with rat before eating, cat is such a funny animal..

a strange thing happen once in my friends factory due to which i realize animals can be emotional.

a male kitten was jumping and playing from here to there and was in a good mood and one of my friends employee used a scissor to cut his moustache in revenge, after that  he get really quiet and stay on the corner of room alone not doing any prank ... he knows what been happened to him but (HOW) ?

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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 01:37:27 PM »
Interesting question Amra94, we once had a cat that was not
fixed and it urinated throughout the house.  We had another
cat we let live inside/outside and it came back with fleas.
We took it to the vet for treatment $$$.  The cat we have now
is fixed, no problems, she lives peacefully as a housecat she is a
constant companion   :)



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I think keeping cats indoors is good if you live near a busy road or something. I let mine out in the mornings to run around and explore otherwise he won't stop meowing then he's fine being inside the rest of the day. Im guessing yours has been an indoor cat since she was a kitten. Ours isnt fixed but he doesn't have any behavior problems either so I don't think it's necessary. But we also feed feral cats and our cat is getting close to one of them so I'm thinking about trapping that one and getting her fixed instead. That way she wont be able to get pregnant by any other cat and we won't have too many in the neighborhood.

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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 01:44:15 PM »
also cat is good for hunting rats. first she played with rat before eating, cat is such a funny animal..

a strange thing happen once in my friends factory due to which i realize animals can be emotional.

a male kitten was jumping and playing from here to there and was in a good mood and one of my friends employee used a scissor to cut his moustache in revenge, after that  he get really quiet and stay on the corner of room alone not doing any prank ... he knows what been happened to him but (HOW) ?
Your friend is cruel. Cats need their whiskers for balance, they dont have them for no reason. He was probably dizzy and scared :(

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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 07:13:25 PM »
also cat is good for hunting rats. first she played with rat before eating, cat is such a funny animal..


Our cat is a good hunter but only plays with mice but will
not eat them, but she will eat flies    :yuck:

Your friend is cruel. Cats need their whiskers for balance, they dont have them for no reason. He was probably dizzy and scared :(

Yeah cruel and sad, cats need their whiskers to help see in the
dark and to maintain balance.

I think keeping cats indoors is good if you live near a busy road or something. I let mine out in the mornings to run around and explore otherwise he won't stop meowing then he's fine being inside the rest of the day. Im guessing yours has been an indoor cat since she was a kitten. Ours isnt fixed but he doesn't have any behavior problems either so I don't think it's necessary. But we also feed feral cats and our cat is getting close to one of them so I'm thinking about trapping that one and getting her fixed instead. That way she wont be able to get pregnant by any other cat and we won't have too many in the neighborhood.

Yeah she is an indoor cat and will only go out if one of
us will accompany her.  She doesn't like thunder or
other loud noises and will hide in the closet until she
feels safe (my cat is a chicken!)
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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 08:09:17 PM »

Our cat is a good hunter but only plays with mice but will
not eat them, but she will eat flies    :yuck:


TOM and JERRY are the only characters who love each other lol.

why she eat flies ? i witness cats eat lot of rubbish like insects cockroaches lizards snakes  :yuck:



Yeah cruel and sad, cats need their whiskers to help see in the
dark and to maintain balance.


indeed it was a cruel act i forget to mention in the shape of black cat they come for revenge  :rotfl:

JINNY in a cat lot of stories related with cats that possessed powers of invisible beings like  this one




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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 11:18:13 PM »
I personally think it's unethical. And fundamentally rooted to a lack of understanding of life in general.

I rather a cat live as a cat and die as a cat than for it to live like some house furniture and then die of old age.

I had a male cat who started wanting to go outside as soon as he became a young adult and I used to let him leave, every night, sometimes he'll leave for days and come back full of scratches, hurt. He'd eat, sleep and leave again. One day he never came back. I assumed he got lost or died.

A fundamental part of being an animal is about following your instincts, and their instinct is to explore, hunt, mate and fight other males over territory.
Even if life could be risky and perilous outside, I rather the cat live the life of a cat. That's what the cat wants too. And they're also much more prepared for survival than we are.

What is accomplished when a cat is neutered, declawed, and left to live a longer life indoors deprived from its freedom ? And what is accomplished when a cat is left naturally, lived a shorter life but with all its freedom ?
Nothing much is accomplished, these things live and die for the earth. They wake up, chase after pleasure and go to sleep.

Do I have a say in this as a human ? Not really. As someone who doesn't aspire to live that kind of life, all I can do is let them live that kind of life.
And much of this is true for humans who live the life of the animal.

I actually started a thread about this in this forum back in the time when I was contemplating this issue:
if you were a pet
I think there is more to learn about us than it is to learn about animals when thinking about animals.
And as you can see, there is a lot more to morality than just claims like "changing the creation of Allah"

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Re: Is it okay to get cats fixed
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 11:52:05 PM »
Animals re not species, they are individuals, just like humans. You cannot use one specimen to state anything about the whole species. Each one is his or her own. Peasants who keep animals know it.
On the other hand, bout being neutered, dogs, who are suposedly the descendants of wolves, mostly want to fit into a family. Amongst wolves who live in freedom only the Alfa wolf and the alfa wolvess reproduce. The othe dogs in the pack do not.

The question as to how animals ar ehappy or "realised" is nobody knows, first becuse we do not know enough about the species, second because they are nto a species but each an individual. We make seta cat on the street free and make it happy or you make it the most unhapy creature, because what it wanted was to be in a family. And between the two alternatives there may be many others.

You have to play by ear. Dogs generally are family animals. They all seem to want a family more than anything else, but then once there is a fmaily each one is his or her own, although they go long stretches to adapt and please each other and compromise.

Once once again there is this myth of nature. Animals, like humans, learn and adapt. And animals like learning with and from humans, when humans do take the effort and time to teach them. Humans also learn from animals. From dogs I have learnt a lot, a very big lot. Some of them seem naturally to have manners, like saying thank you when you give them to eat. They do not speak, but nudge you with their nose, guess it is a thank you although it could also be an acknowledgement of receipt.

I guess the first thing for dealing with animals is not to have any preconceived expectations and take them as they come and then if you live or deal with them, let the best relationship develop.

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