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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 09:38:16 AM »
Yes it's true that this is the effect. It's like a junkie. A slave.

No truly good person is good because they're well fed, sexually and/or emotionally fulfilled and the weather is great.Take away those things and you have the real person.

And Also we can see a true nature of person when hez in mood  :rotfl: jk

I personally see Good people behaving weird when they are waiting for their food its first started when kids start shouting at their mom when food is delayed or husbands shouts at wives if food is non-tasty/undelicious.

Its an old habbit of human beings lol

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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2019, 12:27:58 AM »
peace,

For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
[4:97-100]
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said: "In what you were/have been? "They said: "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said: "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
   
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.

So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.

And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed  on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.
-my current understanding. Verify for yourself -17:36.
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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2019, 03:33:34 PM »
peace,

For those (e.g. those in polar regions) who find it difficult to fast(or for doing any other forms of worship), these verses may have the answer,
[4:97-100]
That those the angels make them die, unjust (to) themselves, they said: "In what you were/have been? "They said: "We were weakened in the Earth/land." They said: "Was not God's Earth/land wide/spacious so you emigrate in it?" So those, their shelter/refuge (is) Hell, and it was a bad/evil end/destination.
   
Except the weakened from the men, and the women, and the children, they are not able (of a) solution (means) and nor they be guided a way/path.

So those, may be God that He forgives/pardons on them, and God is often forgiving, (a) forgiver.

And who emigrates in God's sake, he finds in the earth an escape, and a wealth/an abundance, and who gets out from his house emigrating to God and His messenger, then the death overtakes him, so his reward had fallen/been placed  on God, and God is a forgiver, merciful.

So are you saying that God forgot to mention any exclusions while ordering fasting (if saum = fasting) and left it for us to find out how to fulfill the command in polar regions.


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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2019, 03:00:04 AM »
sawm is only applicable to those who witness the shahr (as per 2:185)
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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2019, 09:00:25 AM »
sawm is only applicable to those who witness the shahr (as per 2:185)

What does it mean.

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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2019, 09:49:34 AM »
perhaps its not applicable to those who didnt qualify the criteria due to whatever reason..

example people in ISS (international space station).

funny POINT to ponder,  its really impossible to do SEX in space station due to gravity lmao.... :rotfl:
and if you go for fasting from FOOD & DRINK then its only like one hour fast and more than 15 fasts in a day.

people in polar regions where they can have (long nights/permanent dark) lasting for months. so they are chilling there..

these type of situations i guess thats why author of QURAN say whoever witness the shahr-e-ramadhan.

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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2019, 02:53:24 PM »
perhaps its not applicable to those who didnt qualify the criteria due to whatever reason..

example people in ISS (international space station).

funny POINT to ponder,  its really impossible to do SEX in space station due to gravity lmao.... :rotfl:
and if you go for fasting from FOOD & DRINK then its only like one hour fast and more than 15 fasts in a day.

people in polar regions where they can have (long nights/permanent dark) lasting for months. so they are chilling there..

these type of situations i guess thats why author of QURAN say whoever witness the shahr-e-ramadhan.


شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أُنزِلَ فِيهِ ٱلْقُرْءَانُ

The month of Ramadan is the month during which the Qur?ān was compositely sent (to the chosen sincere allegiant Muhammad on appointing-assigning him the responsibility of the final Universal Messenger-Spokesperson) ?

هُدٙى لِّلنَّاسِ

It (Qur?ān) serves as guidance for the Mankind ?

وَبَيِّنَٟتٛ مِّنَ ٱلْـهُـدَىٰ وَٱلْفُرْقَانِۚ

And distinctly self explanatory verbal passages were gradually communicated from the miscellany of Al-Huda'a: the Guide (Qur?ān) and Al-Furqau'n: the Criterion; the Separator of right from wrong, fact from falsity-conjecture.

فَمَن شَهِدَ مِنكُـمُ ٱلشَّهْرَ فَلْيَصُـمْهُۖ

Therefore, if he who reaching adulthood among you was present at home in this month, thereat, he should observe it by fasting.


وَمَن كَانَ مَرِيضٙا أَوْ عَلَـىٰ سَفَرٛ

And if anyone has been suffering from sickness, or was embarking on a journey ?

فَعِدَّةٚ مِّنْ أَيَّامٛ أُخَرَۗ

Thereby (he may adjourn fasting) the count be accomplished during the days of another-later month.

يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ بِكُـمُ ٱلْيُسْـرَ

Allah the Exalted intends easiness for you people ?

وَلَا يُرِيدُ بِكُـمُ ٱلْعُسْـرَ

And He the Exalted never intends difficulty-awkwardness for you ?

وَلِتُكْمِلُوا۟ ٱلْعِدَّةَ

And its purpose is that you might complete the count of fasting ?

وَلِتُكَـبِّـرُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ عَلَـىٰ مَا هَدَىٰكُـمْ

And that you might proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided (by adhering to Qur?ān) ?

وَلَعَلَّـكُـمْ تَشْكُرُونَ .2:185١٨٥

And so that you people might keep expressing gratitude. [2:185]

Both the sentences are conditional --- the opposite of a person on journey is the person who is at home.

Interestingly the basic perception of Root:  ص و م

bn Faris [died 1005] stated:

(مقاييس اللغة)
الصاد والواو والميم أصلٌ يدلُّ على إِمساكٍ وركودٍ في مكان. من ذلك صَوم الصَّائم

That it leads to the perception of abstinence, and stasis - stagnancy at home.

(لسان العرب)
الصَّوْمُ: تَرْكُ الطعامِ والشَّرابِ والنِّكاحِ والكلامِ

Fasting is the act and state of abstinence of activity relating to food intake and genitalia and speech.

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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 02:54:48 PM »
Salaam Brother Mazhar


فَمَن شَهِدَ مِنكُـمُ ٱلشَّهْرَ فَلْيَصُـمْهُۖ

Therefore, if he who reaching adulthood among you was present at home in this month, thereat, he should observe it by fasting.

فَمَن so who
 شَهِدَ witnessed
 مِنكُـمُ among you
 ٱلشَّهْرَ the month
 فَلْيَصُـمْهُۖ then let him fast it


يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ بِكُـمُ ٱلْيُسْـرَ

Allah the Exalted intends easiness for you people ?

وَلَا يُرِيدُ بِكُـمُ ٱلْعُسْـرَ

And He the Exalted never intends difficulty-awkwardness for you ?

It is "bi kum" in the verse which means "with you".
It is not "la kum" in the verse which would mean "for you".



وَلِتُكَـبِّـرُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ عَلَـىٰ مَا هَدَىٰكُـمْ

And that you might proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided (by adhering to Qur?ān) ?

How one can proclaim and praise the Sublime grandeur of Allah the Mightiest upon your getting aright guided by not eating, drinking or having sex?


وَمَن كَانَ مَرِيضٙا أَوْ عَلَـىٰ سَفَرٛ



وَلَعَلَّـكُـمْ تَشْكُرُونَ .2:185١٨٥

And so that you people might keep expressing gratitude. [2:185]

Both the sentences are conditional --- the opposite of a person on journey is the person who is at home.

And using your logic what is the opposite of "sick" in the verse?


Interestingly the basic perception of Root:  ص و م

bn Faris [died 1005] stated:

(مقاييس اللغة)
الصاد والواو والميم أصلٌ يدلُّ على إِمساكٍ وركودٍ في مكان. من ذلك صَوم الصَّائم

That it leads to the perception of abstinence, and stasis - stagnancy at home.

(لسان العرب)
الصَّوْمُ: تَرْكُ الطعامِ والشَّرابِ والنِّكاحِ والكلامِ

Fasting is the act and state of abstinence of activity relating to food intake and genitalia and speech.

What does إِمساكٍ means as used in the Quran, for example

2:231 وَإِذَا طَلَّقۡتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَبَلَغۡنَ أَجَلَهُنَّ فَأَمۡسِكُوهُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوفٍ أَوۡ سَرِّحُوهُنَّ بِمَعۡرُوفٍ۬‌ۚ وَلَا تُمۡسِكُوهُنَّ ضِرَارً۬ا لِّتَعۡتَدُواْ‌ۚ .........

Or

7:170 وَٱلَّذِينَ يُمَسِّكُونَ بِٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ وَأَقَامُواْ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ إِنَّا لَا نُضِيعُ أَجۡرَ ٱلۡمُصۡلِحِينَ


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Re: How do you understand fasting
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2019, 06:46:44 AM »
peace,


And as I understood, Ramadan will not occur in Al Shahr Al Haram, because

Note bold part,https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9610235.msg421590#msg421590

1)So the 4 full moons are for Hajj, since there is already sawm in Hajj,(for those who cannot find offering -2:196) Ramadan(sawm) cannot occur in Hajj (Qur’an does not mentions such a condition of interpose).

That's an interesting observation.

I think you may be onto something. I will think this over.

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