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Shall We treat the Muslims (moral universalism/monotheist) like Criminals (moral relativism/polytheist)? (68:35)



This is a universal Message for mankind. (14:52)
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Re: Which God/Dog? .... Moral RELATIVISM or Moral UNIVERSALISM?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2019, 12:08:15 PM »
Moral relativism has a reputation for being compassionate, caring and humane, but it is an extremely useful philosophy for tyrants. ~ Peter Kreeft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQmf2cLgkJg



Human Shaytan

Shaytans from both mankind and from the jinn, who inspire (schism) each other with delusions (unnature) by means of specious words (fallacious argument) — if your LordLaw (of Nature) had willed, they would not have done it, so abandon them and all they fabricate (forced justice, political jurisprudence). (6:112)

They belong neither to you nor to them. (58:14) It is they who are Shaytan's army. (58:19)

Human Iblees

Iblees. He was of the jinn and departed from the command of his LordLaw (of Nature). Then will you take him and his descendants as allies other than Me/Sunnatullah while they are enemies to you? (18:50)

Every one of Iblis"s regiments: arguing in it with one another, they will say, "By Allah/Sunnatullah/LordLaw of Nature, we were plainly misguided when We equated you with the LordLaw of all the worlds/NATURE. (26:95-98)

Which of you is mad? (68:6)
  • delusional. characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
  • Insanity. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy (unnature) from reality (nature).

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No culture in history has ever embraced moral relativism and survived. Our own culture, therefore, will either (1) be the first, and disprove history's clearest lesson, or (2) persist in its relativism and die, or (3) repent of its relativism and live. There is no other option. ~ Peter Kreeft



There is no tawba for people who persist in doing evil (moral relativism / forced justice). (4:18)
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Re: Which God/Dog? .... Moral RELATIVISM or Moral UNIVERSALISM?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2019, 02:11:14 PM »
Iblees's Philosophy: "Your Lord has only forbidden you this tree lest you become angels or among those who live for ever." He swore to them, "I am one of those who give you good advice." (7:20-21)



Your condition is like that of the people of Pharoah (8:52)

Pharaoh said, "I show you only what I see, and I am guiding you along the right path." (40.29)

Iblees swore to them, "I am one of those who give you good advice."

Pharaoh held his people astray, and did not show them the right path. (20.79)

the Pharaoh and Iblees's advertising campaign for..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaXiz5Rv28
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Re: Which God/Dog? .... Moral RELATIVISM or Moral UNIVERSALISM?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2019, 03:12:48 PM »
Forced Justice (Moral Relativism / People of THE BOOK)

Isa: So this: a law is enforced only by force.

Every nation has a Messenger and when their Messenger comes everything is decided between them justly [ = Ecological Jurisprudence/Justice vs Forced Justice/Jurisprudence/Dogma]. They are not wronged. They ask 'Muhammad', "When will this promise (of Final Rasul) be fulfilled?" (10:47-48 > 28:59 > 17:58 > 27:82 > 44:10-11 > 39:54)

Mahdism / Matheism / Mahdist / Matheist




So your "consensus" really means that some individuals—the lawmakers, whoever they are —the majority in a democracy impose their personal values, their will, on the others! That's "judg-mentalism", that's imposition. But if morality is objective instead of subjective, if it comes from universal human nature instead of some human wills, then that's not "judg-mentalism", not an imposition at all. It's exactly the opposite of what the relativist says. The relativist is accusing the absolutist of exactly the moral fault he's guilty of. What a piece of propaganda!

Your condition is like that of the people of Pharoah (8:52)

Pharaoh FOOLED/DEFINED his people, and they obeyed him. [THEREFORE] They were wicked people. (43:54)

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You who have iman! The Mushriks are utterly filthy!  (9:28)



The kafirun are truly deluded. (67:20)


What defines you?

And it's worked! It's become the prevailing view, as you said—my view seems strange, and yours seems normal. It worked because it's a big lie instead of a little one. Don't you see that, Libby? Don't you see the hypocrisy of it? It's not just bad philosophy. It's bad morality; it's hypocrisy; it's dishonest. The very people who say, "Don't impose your values on me because they're only relative and subjective " then go on to create a society that they say is only man-made, not based on God or natural law, and they say that all values come from man, so a society is then nothing but some men imposing their values on others—majorities on minorities, or rulers on ruled, or teachers on students, or media mind molders on the stupid, traditionalist masses.

Libby: How could people be so stupid, if your scenario is true? Why did this big lie, if that's what it is, why did it work? Where did it begin?

Isa: It begins in the schools, the state propaganda machines that propagandize this moral relativism into the students from kindergarten through graduate school, and they call this propaganda "values clarification" courses.

What's make you think you can outsmart the universe/natural order!?  "Terrible is their opinion! 29:4" :rotfl:



For the ugliest of all voices/arguments is the braying of asses. (31:19)

because

They are like asses carrying books! (62:5)

The donkey education...



People of the Book 

(brainwashed nation... you can't fix stupid, and stupid can't fix themselves)

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Re: Which God/Dog? .... Moral RELATIVISM or Moral UNIVERSALISM?
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