Human greed and Animal abuse

[Mohammed.]

See the exploitative human greed in commercial Egg and Milk production

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGQTyrIFLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u80_IrSILI4-

[quincy]

Thats why i dont even eat halal labeled meat in the west. This is beyond greed and animal cruelty, its the degenerate state of mind -> these kind of people are worse then cattle. This is what the intellectual age of "science" brings upon you. Complete anti-social anti-empathic behaviour. Profit is the only thing they care. They only believe in numbers.

[Mohammed.]

peace Abaddon,

And many supporting this cruelty knowingly/unknowingly by purchasing their products since most of the food products today available are with egg and milk as ingredients- like chocolates, cakes, breads, ice creams, etc.

Thats why i dont even eat halal labeled meat in the west.

Do you think halal certification (if animals are treated in a good manner i.e. no cruelty) =approved by God?
Most of the halal certified slaughter houses will have traditional Muslims for doing the process. But in a traditional Muslim view, meat will become halal by just pronouncing/uttering the name of God while slaughtering (many traditional Qur'an translators translated 6: 118, 119 & 121 incorrectly). Qur'an used the root dh-k-r in 6: 118, 119 & 121 which basically means remembrance/bear in mind, not just uttering. The word used for the Swalat in Qur'an also has the same root (e.g. 20:14). I believe that no any such certification can assure the state of one's mind. And the person doing this job will be slitting hundreds of animals/birds within few hours (i.e. continuously, for long time they are doing only this cutting job!). Will they be able to slaughter each animal/bird properly?.
And this is applicable to any food with animal based (slaughtered) ingredients like gelatin (e.g. foods like marshmallows, jams, jellies,cakes, ice creams etc.

[quincy]

Peace and blessings, Mohammed!

Veganism is the only way if you dont have your own farm, i agree.

[good logic]

Peace brothers..
I agree this is a cruel world. The system of money dictates the process for profit-A lot of profit-.

One wonders though how can it be possible to change the system if the majority are pawns in it. They play the game willingly or by necessity.

GOD is aware of the plight of all His creation.We consume the foods that GOD gives an food  that man puts hre by cheating and oppression of animals and vegetation without fully knowing the process of man. We know GOD is just and fair.
And there lies the difference.

When everyone is able to check and choose their food, it is an easier choice. You can of course boycott what is unjust and unfair.
But what about those with no knowledge of cruelty and no choice but to consume what they can get?
This is where I see the problem.
May the Lord provide good and lawful food for all.
Very lucky indeed are those that can choose and  very brave are those that highlight the oppression and cruelty of GOD s creation to make others aware.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.

[Amra94]

I was vegan for a while, I still dont eat dairy but I do eat eggs occasionally. This U.S company claims to be cruelty free https://www.chinovalleyranchers.com/humane/  you can get them at Costco

[Mohammed.]

The verses 6:118,119 &121 does not mention slaughtering specifically, so

'on which God's name has been remembered' may also mean Fair Treatment throughout farming as well as during slaughtering. [God's name-The Merciful, so 'remembering Gods name' may refer to kind treatment to animals?]

Diary
Artificial Insemination -Cow will not get the approach of its male partner,
no male-female mating communication no natural mating, instead human hand/special devices deposit the sperm
after delivery in the growing stages, usually calf will not get enough approach of its mother as in natural systems, no proper care from mother and no proper time for mother-child communication/ love- may be for the whole life time of the dairy cows!

Egg
Genetic Manipulation & selective breeding -Hens (Living beings) into Heavy Duty egg producing units -almost for the whole life time of these creatures.

-trespasses against Natural systems.

[Mohammed.]

peace,

Chickens raised for flesh

naturally, birds have daytime and night, but poultry bird's are 24 hrs in light. Imagine, how it will be if you are in such an environment...

quote
Chickens are inquisitive, interesting animals who are as intelligent as mammals such as cats, dogs, and even some primates. They are very social and like to spend their days together, scratching for food, taking dust baths, roosting in trees, and lying in the sun.

But chickens raised on factory farms each year in the U.S. never have the chance to do anything that's natural or important to them. A baby chick on a factory farm will never be allowed contact with his or her parents, let alone be raised by them. These chickens are deprived of the chance to take dust baths, feel the warmth of the sun on their backs, breathe fresh air, roost in trees, and build nests.
https://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/chickens/

[Mohammed.]

The verses 6:118,119 &121 does not mention slaughtering specifically, so

'on which God's name has been remembered' may also mean Fair Treatment throughout farming as well as during slaughtering. [God's name-The Merciful, so 'remembering Gods name' may refer to kind treatment to animals?]

I think the above verses do not deal with /address manipulation and exploitation of animals (making unfair/unnatural use of).

[amin]

See the exploitative human greed in commercial Egg and Milk production

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGQTyrIFLA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u80_IrSILI4-

Yes true,  human greed at maximum we see in these MASS PRODUCED poultry,  vegetables and cereals that are over fertilized , use of antibiotics, other chemicals and pesticides in growing them fast, and in long run people will learn about the effects of these unhealthy practices.