Quote from: Neptin on January 10, 2019, 01:29:13 AM
Peace.
It could. But the context of the verse is day and night circle and I can't see how solar apex have anything to do with that.
Peace.
I have referenced other translations like Pickthall, also see Sahih International on 36:38. As even you can see from the corpus Qur'an page you cited, "Mustaqarr" is used in all other verses of the Qur'an to mean dwelling place, except in 6:67 where the context is not a physical object.
As for qararan, in 27:61, we can debate all we want about this meaning the earth is fixed or not fixed, but don't you find it puzzling that the Qur'an never for once implied the earth is in motion, whereas it reiterates the sun is in motion, supposedly round the center of the milky way galaxy?
I'm not here to prove the Qur'an wrong. I'm trying to prove that a Geocentric universe model is what the Qur'an confirms. Is a geocentric universe model wrong and disprove the Qur'an? I really can't say, all I know about the universe is what I read, not what I have witnessed.
Now, as for 'qarara' and 'mustaqqar' of 27:61 and 36:38, I've left my words in reply to to Wakas above.
I agree with what you have written except the part on Dark Flow. Qur'an should be clear to the primary audience, the early Arabs. This idea that Qur'an reveals scientific facts neither discerned, understandable or verifiable by the Arabs until now is problematic. This is why I beg to differ with those who claim Qur'an's mention of solar orbit refers to the its orbit around the center of the milky way galaxy.
Does the Qur'an say that the earth is stationnary with respect to other bodies? Please quote.
By all means should the Qur'an uphold this or that astronomical view? whY?
Qur'an says what it has to say to people of any time concenring that which they can see and reason by themselves, in the sixth century in the twentieth or in the thousandth.
That is very consistent with the call of the Qur'an to all people to reason by themselves and to judge nd ponder on everything.
Why do you have to adscribe to it any particular "universal" conception on this or that? What is the reason or need for that.
The Qur'an does not present itself in as a textbook for anything, neither for cooking or knitting or horse mounting or anything. Speaks to the people as is.
On the other hand scientific theories on anything change fast, not like human perception which is more or less the same now as 5 thousand years ago. If a certain scientific theory was obviously upheld in any book it would age very quickly and would unsettle the reader conmensurately all the time except for the time when it came out.
On the other hand if it deals with questions inherently important to humans at any time, it does not age.
So hte important point is not to try by all means to extract a scientific opinion from the Qur'an but to understand what it is about. The best that could be asked from it would be that it does not err, and nothing that has bene stated here inthis thread or in other threads or writings that I know off prove the Qur'an erring. It is not that the Qur'an is geocentric, but rather that it is humancentric, which is logical since it is addressed to humans.
As said, please quote where the Qur'an sates unambiguously that the earth, the planet earth is static.
Salaam